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Originally posted by hollows hollows wrote:

If we're talking about getting fat (as opposed to overall health), it doesn't matter WHAT you eat, as long as you don't eat too much of it.  

The problem is that many of the easy/tasty/cheap everyday foods are now super calorie dense.  People are taking in a lot of calories without "eating" a lot.  A can of Coke (sorry Bob) has as many calories as TEN CUPS of spinach.

And while some right wingers would have you believe that poor people are fat because they're too stupid to take care of themselves (and that's why they're poor in the first place), the truth is a lot more complicated.  But people do like to get mad at poor people for causing their own misery.

Im in a meeting right now at work, but I do want to call out the single most important thing that we dont pay enough attention to in relation to diet. As Hollows mentions here "Calorie Density" is key to knowing why we are getting fat. The relation to calories vs volume of food. 

We all are made to eat until we are full in "volume", but in that we can have a wide range of calories for that volume. Things like sugar and fat take simple nutritious broccoli through the roof in terms of calories, but doesn't have any effect in making you more full. Unfortunately for us, our pleasure system works backwards. It promotes calorie dense foods. It rewards you for eating small volume / high calories. 

Because of this we get addicted to shitty foods. We are built that way so when we were cavemen in the wild, we spent our time eating the high calorie items like nuts and potatoes instead of wasting our time on leaves and twigs. Unfortunately we don't need any of that since we can just go to the local market and get anything you want. Once you are in the trap of eating these calorie dense foods, you become dependent on the dopamine you are getting from your brain. Thats why diets come with all types of withdrawal symptoms, and eventually go to "cheat days" and often giving up. People aren't aware of this. They think they are just "hungry".

Ill post some links tonight. Very interesting stuff.
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I think the idea is that olive oil is healthier compared to veggie oil or butter for cooking—coconut oil even better than that, but it makes eggs taste funny to me.

Agreed with sugar being the #1 problem (at least in America)—people also don't realize how much diet affects their bodies in ways OTHER than weight. I went through some freaky health stuff 3 years ago and it turned out getting off hormonal birth control and eating WAY less sugar/carbs/processed things steered me right.  It's unfortunate that the simplest (diet change) thing can change your health/life but is also one of the hardest things to do.

As for body shaming and all that—it's a damn shame. Nobody is ever going to approve of your body, and nobody should ever feel like they have the right to. That is one thing that makes me really sad about comments like 'Just stop eating so fucking much, slob!' or 'Ugh, eat a cheeseburger, skinny!" things like that—these are things said to people and people are complex.
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Originally posted by hollows hollows wrote:

A can of Coke (sorry Bob) has as many calories as TEN CUPS of spinach.

If only Popeye had known that!

Originally posted by topgearskin topgearskin wrote:

Thats all about choice. Familiies can and do exist on a single salary. I know mine does, and has done for 7 years now. What we did have to do was make choices - like not having a car for a while, not going on foreign holidays, not buying things because we "wanted" them.
 
We're in a society that encourages people to choose dual income as their lifestyle. Its okay to live on a single salary. The benefits, in my experience, are bigger than that additional salary.

Sometimes there is very little choice. If you work, for example, in London, don't qualify for social housing and want to bring up a family there without a ridiculous commute, there is no way this can be done on a single salary for most people.

Edited by Maynard Friedman - 20 Aug 2014 at 8:00am
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part of the problem is about 30 years ago people started telling us Fat was bad - so Fat was taken out of food - and we began eating a lot of "processed food" - which was said to be "better" because there was "less fat"
But ultimately Fat/Salt/Sugar is what "tastes good" - so if you take one out - you have to dose up on the others - which is why a lot of "lo-Fat" food is laced with Sugar and salt - both of which in high levels are bad.
 
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Those 50/50 sugar/fat foods are often the most fattening but unfortunately also the most tasty and moreish, e.g , ice cream and cheesecake!
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god Damn I love ice cream!
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currently in my freezer


I love jeni's, even if it is $1 for every damn bite.
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Originally posted by *lefty* *lefty* wrote:

I love jeni's

me too. 
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Originally posted by *lefty* *lefty* wrote:

currently in my freezer


I love jeni's, even if it is $1 for every damn bite.

Never heard of had Jenni's. Call me traditional, but I still love myself the classic soft serve twist on a cone with chocolate sprinkles. Nothing too fancy...

PS. This convo changed direction quickly!
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Bow before the junk food god:



You can keep your silly ice cream.
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