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Topic: Observations
Posted By: Bob Dale
Subject: Observations
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2014 at 3:46pm
A thread for social commentary, thoughts, et cetera.




I'll kick things off --

Laughing gas is a lot of fun.





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Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2014 at 12:35am
It's hard to keep a straight face with that stuff.

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Posted By: Bob Dale
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2014 at 8:11pm
There are few feelings greater than facilitating the process by which a 17 month old undergoes metamorphosis and ceases to be a crying mess and becomes a blissful slumbering bundle of beauty.


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 1:35am
I visited Hull yesterday for the first time and was quite alarmed to find obesity at epidemic proportions. What appeared like a large majority of folks 30-50 who's demographic 2 decades earlier would have been fit and healthy now shuffle slovenly in their "sports wear" with the aid of NHS walking sticks.
Strange how a community can become overwhelmingly obese? Other cities i have visited nearby York, Harrogate ect don't suffer the same problem. Im not sold on the spiel that lack of education/employment/opportunity relates to folks shoveling copious amounts of fatty, sugary processed foods into their cake holes. Even if processed foods are low cost why eat so much of it?  Its like regional depression. I was mulling it over in the car on the way home...


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 3:02am
Consider the different demographic structures within towns/cities such as Harrogate/York and Hull. The former are smaller, more educated and middle-class (York is basically a large town with a cathedral), less dependent and therefore less affected by the collapse of traditional, heavier industries, which has seen a more sedentary lifestyle imposed upon a once active working class population. In combination with the rise of junk/fast food from the 1970s/80s, culminating in the 'chicken shop children' commonplace today, this has taken a heavy toll. Additional factors such as the downgrading of physical exercise in schools, the increase in computer games, lack of trust at letting children play outside independently (fear of paedophiles, plus the general breakdown of communities and the associated trust held within), the 'now' culture (why bother cooking when I can buy something cheaply and enjoy it immediately, I'd rather watch TV). Given that all these factors are likely to affect the less educated more than their middle class counterparts, throw in the devastating health-effects that a poor, junk-food diet has (please don't underestimate this - watch Morgan Spurlock's 'Super Size Me' for some empirical evidence, it really is no surprise at all.


Posted By: Bootsen
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 3:20am
Maynard, stop making complete sense.


Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 3:23am
Yep- this is most irregular.


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Posted By: spork141
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 3:50am
Originally posted by Maynard Friedman Maynard Friedman wrote:

Consider the different demographic structures within towns/cities such as Harrogate/York and Hull. The former are smaller, more educated and middle-class (York is basically a large town with a cathedral), less dependent and therefore less affected by the collapse of traditional, heavier industries, which has seen a more sedentary lifestyle imposed upon a once active working class population. In combination with the rise of junk/fast food from the 1970s/80s, culminating in the 'chicken shop children' commonplace today, this has taken a heavy toll. Additional factors such as the downgrading of physical exercise in schools, the increase in computer games, lack of trust at letting children play outside independently (fear of paedophiles, plus the general breakdown of communities and the associated trust held within), the 'now' culture (why bother cooking when I can buy something cheaply and enjoy it immediately, I'd rather watch TV). Given that all these factors are likely to affect the less educated more than their middle class counterparts, throw in the devastating health-effects that a poor, junk-food diet has (please don't underestimate this - watch Morgan Spurlock's 'Super Size Me' for some empirical evidence, it really is no surprise at all.

All excellent points. I would argue, however, that being poorly educated is a driving factor to obesity. Even the well educated are misinformed on food. You can thank the mostly evil food industry for this misinformation, in combination with our general lack of understanding of "food addiction", and how it effects all of us to some degree. The more and more the food industry moves toward processed packaged foods, the worse and worse it gets. You can slap a "low fat" / "low sugar" label on anything, but in reality that "healthy" cereal, or "natural" juice you find in the super market might as well be options on a fast food dollar menu. And don't even get me started on olive oil. Every time I hear someone mention "but it has healthy fats" someone out there has another heart attack.

 Im sure being poor makes it worse since good natural whole foods are much more expensive, but I still find, in the US at least, that the problems mentioned above are just as prevalent in people who are well-off. 


Posted By: illumin8em
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 4:28am
Originally posted by spork141 spork141 wrote:

And don't even get me started on olive oil. Every time I hear someone mention "but it has healthy fats" someone out there has another heart attack.



yikes! what's wrong with olive oil?


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 4:52am
Spork, I agree that obesity is a problem across the social spectrum globally and not consigned solely to the lower end. I would argue though, that its affects are probably more keenly felt amongst the poorer populace due to a lack of education around exercise, diet and nutrition, plus worse living, environmental and social conditions, things that better-off folk often don't have to deal with.

I think one of the factors that hits the middle classes is that they are so time-poor, often due to work or social pressures (organising and chaperoning hobbies/pastimes/social events for their kids) that they resort to ready/easier meals or takeaways. In addition, we are all swayed by advertising/marketing (that's why it exists after all) and different items are targeted at different sectors of society. We are all ultimately responsible for our own welfare but some of us are better (or worse) equipped to do so, often as a result of education and other socio-economic factors.


Posted By: spork141
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 5:15am
Originally posted by Maynard Friedman Maynard Friedman wrote:

Spork, I agree that obesity is a problem across the social spectrum globally and not consigned solely to the lower end. I would argue though, that its affects are probably more keenly felt amongst the poorer populace due to a lack of education around exercise, diet and nutrition, plus worse living, environmental and social conditions, things that better-off folk often don't have to deal with.

I think one of the factors that hits the middle classes is that they are so time-poor, often due to work or social pressures (organising and chaperoning hobbies/pastimes/social events for their kids) that they resort to ready/easier meals or takeaways. In addition, we are all swayed by advertising/marketing (that's why it exists after all) and different items are targeted at different sectors of society. We are all ultimately responsible for our own welfare but some of us are better (or worse) equipped to do so, often as a result of education and other socio-economic factors.

Right...I think that's all true. The poor have additional problems that lead to bad eating and exercise. Doesn't help that good food is expensive these days. In addition, the middle class can no longer afford to live on a single salary, so nobody's home slaving day after day on a home cooked meal. It all feeds into a cycle of bad eating. Furthermore the bad eating options are cheap and plentiful for all to enjoy. I remember when I was young the poor used to buy bags of lentils, or rice and beans, since they were the cheap and plentiful. At least that food was nutritious and healthy. Now a days you can get those fat and sugar loaded pre-made dinners for almost nothing. Overall a pretty bad situation.





Posted By: spork141
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 5:29am
Originally posted by illumin8em illumin8em wrote:

Originally posted by spork141 spork141 wrote:

And don't even get me started on olive oil. Every time I hear someone mention "but it has healthy fats" someone out there has another heart attack.



yikes! what's wrong with olive oil?

Olive oil (actually most oils) is the most calorie dense food on the planet. 120 calories a tablespoon (all fat). It would be cheaper and healthier to dump ice cream on your salad.

Take a look at the label:   http://s.hswstatic.com/gif/food-oil.jpg

There's nothing at all nutritious about it. Its just pure fat for our bodies to enjoy. Im not saying people shouldn't use it, but they should know the truth about how to use it and when. Doctors actually tell us to use it because it has "good fats". That's like drinking gasoline because it has electrolytes. If you want good fat, eat an avocado. 

If you want someone to blame, please blame the food companies, and the lobbyists in the government.  Here's a great example

http://fanaticcook.blogspot.com/2006/12/pam-is-fat.html

Cooking spray heavily advertises itself as "fat-free", but its actually 100% fat. Its just allowed to round down to 0 because the serving size (spray of .33 seconds) is insignificant enough to warrant reporting fat. So PAm goes ahead and puts "fat free" all over their product, knowing that nobody who uses pam can coat a pan in .33 seconds.

Theres so much more. PM me if you want some stuff to read. Sugar is anther huge problem. Maybe the biggest.

Sorry if this might not translate to the readers on the other side of the pond. I know things might be different over there for the food labels and such.




Posted By: Sardine
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 5:47am
So were stuck with Mom's advice: "Eat your veggies" "everything in moderation" as well as the out of school for the summer advice: "go play outside and come back in when the sun goes down"


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 6:30am
I caught a similar documentary a year or two ago on the BBC "The Men Who Made Us Fat" Jacques Peretti investigated the folks responsible for revolutionising modern eating habits, what stood out for me was the history behind Americans relationship with corn syrup.
I believe most people who are eating the "wrong foods" know they are having a negative affect on their health but still do it, poorly educated or not nobody is that fucking stupid to plead ignorance.


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 6:42am
Was that the documentary where a sorry American family were feeding cheeseburgers to their 1 year old daughter?


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 6:56am
You know maynard i think it was, It was a well researched docu over 3 episodes and you know my viewing is sporadic so i only caught segments.




Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 7:02am
If we're talking about getting fat (as opposed to overall health), http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/" rel="nofollow - it doesn't matter WHAT you eat, as long as you don't eat too much of it .  

The problem is that many of the easy/tasty/cheap everyday foods are now super calorie dense.  People are taking in a lot of calories without "eating" a lot.  A can of Coke (sorry Bob) has as many calories as http://pbandjulia.blogspot.com/2012/02/so-what-does-100-calories-really-look.html" rel="nofollow - TEN CUPS of spinach .

And while some right wingers would have you believe that poor people are fat because they're too stupid to take care of themselves (and that's why they're poor in the first place), http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/11/the-messy-messy-relationship-between-income-and-race-and-obesity/281434/" rel="nofollow - the truth is a lot more complicated .  But people do like to get mad at poor people for causing their own misery.


Posted By: topgearskin
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 7:15am
Originally posted by Bob Dale Bob Dale wrote:

There are few feelings greater than facilitating the process by which a 17 month old undergoes metamorphosis and ceases to be a crying mess and becomes a blissful slumbering bundle of beauty.
 
Had to read that twice before I read "month" and not "year"
 
I was quite disturbed. Thought you'd gone crazy.
 
You're right
Kids> other stuff


Posted By: topgearskin
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 7:22am
Originally posted by spork141 spork141 wrote:


 In addition, the middle class can no longer afford to live on a single salary, so nobody's home slaving day after day on a home cooked meal.
 
Thats all about choice. Familiies can and do exist on a single salary. I know mine does, and has done for 7 years now. What we did have to do was make choices - like not having a car for a while, not going on foreign holidays, not buying things because we "wanted" them.
 
We're in a society that encourages people to choose dual income as their lifestyle. Its okay to live on a single salary. The benefits, in my experience, are bigger than that additional salary.


Posted By: setterman
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 7:33am
Originally posted by Double 0 Soul Double 0 Soul wrote:

Its like regional depression.

It probably is.  All I have to do is look out the window at my corner of PA to know that a regional depression is a real thing.  Here it's driven by dwindling manufacturing, and lack of sun (we're very near the top when it comes to least number of sunny days per year in the US).  You live a miserable life doing a repetitive, mind numbing job, and things like alcohol, tobacco, and salty, fatty foods give fleeting pleasure.  Unfortunately these things in the long run add to the depression you're attempting to medicate in the first place, and throw some obesity on top of it.  




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Posted By: spork141
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 7:41am
Originally posted by hollows hollows wrote:

If we're talking about getting fat (as opposed to overall health), http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/" rel="nofollow - it doesn't matter WHAT you eat, as long as you don't eat too much of it .  

The problem is that many of the easy/tasty/cheap everyday foods are now super calorie dense.  People are taking in a lot of calories without "eating" a lot.  A can of Coke (sorry Bob) has as many calories as http://pbandjulia.blogspot.com/2012/02/so-what-does-100-calories-really-look.html" rel="nofollow - TEN CUPS of spinach .

And while some right wingers would have you believe that poor people are fat because they're too stupid to take care of themselves (and that's why they're poor in the first place), http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/11/the-messy-messy-relationship-between-income-and-race-and-obesity/281434/" rel="nofollow - the truth is a lot more complicated .  But people do like to get mad at poor people for causing their own misery.

Im in a meeting right now at work, but I do want to call out the single most important thing that we dont pay enough attention to in relation to diet. As Hollows mentions here "Calorie Density" is key to knowing why we are getting fat. The relation to calories vs volume of food. 

We all are made to eat until we are full in "volume", but in that we can have a wide range of calories for that volume. Things like sugar and fat take simple nutritious broccoli through the roof in terms of calories, but doesn't have any effect in making you more full. Unfortunately for us, our pleasure system works backwards. It promotes calorie dense foods. It rewards you for eating small volume / high calories. 

Because of this we get addicted to shitty foods. We are built that way so when we were cavemen in the wild, we spent our time eating the high calorie items like nuts and potatoes instead of wasting our time on leaves and twigs. Unfortunately we don't need any of that since we can just go to the local market and get anything you want. Once you are in the trap of eating these calorie dense foods, you become dependent on the dopamine you are getting from your brain. Thats why diets come with all types of withdrawal symptoms, and eventually go to "cheat days" and often giving up. People aren't aware of this. They think they are just "hungry".

Ill post some links tonight. Very interesting stuff.


Posted By: proulxsie
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 7:43am
I think the idea is that olive oil is healthier compared to veggie oil or butter for cooking—coconut oil even better than that, but it makes eggs taste funny to me.

Agreed with sugar being the #1 problem (at least in America)—people also don't realize how much diet affects their bodies in ways OTHER than weight. I went through some freaky health stuff 3 years ago and it turned out getting off hormonal birth control and eating WAY less sugar/carbs/processed things steered me right.  It's unfortunate that the simplest (diet change) thing can change your health/life but is also one of the hardest things to do.

As for body shaming and all that—it's a damn shame. Nobody is ever going to approve of your body, and nobody should ever feel like they have the right to. That is one thing that makes me really sad about comments like 'Just stop eating so fucking much, slob!' or 'Ugh, eat a cheeseburger, skinny!" things like that—these are things said to people and people are complex.


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Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 7:54am
Originally posted by hollows hollows wrote:

A can of Coke (sorry Bob) has as many calories as http://pbandjulia.blogspot.com/2012/02/so-what-does-100-calories-really-look.html" rel="nofollow - TEN CUPS of spinach .

If only Popeye had known that!

Originally posted by topgearskin topgearskin wrote:

Thats all about choice. Familiies can and do exist on a single salary. I know mine does, and has done for 7 years now. What we did have to do was make choices - like not having a car for a while, not going on foreign holidays, not buying things because we "wanted" them.
 
We're in a society that encourages people to choose dual income as their lifestyle. Its okay to live on a single salary. The benefits, in my experience, are bigger than that additional salary.

Sometimes there is very little choice. If you work, for example, in London, don't qualify for social housing and want to bring up a family there without a ridiculous commute, there is no way this can be done on a single salary for most people.


Posted By: topgearskin
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 7:57am
part of the problem is about 30 years ago people started telling us Fat was bad - so Fat was taken out of food - and we began eating a lot of "processed food" - which was said to be "better" because there was "less fat"
But ultimately Fat/Salt/Sugar is what "tastes good" - so if you take one out - you have to dose up on the others - which is why a lot of "lo-Fat" food is laced with Sugar and salt - both of which in high levels are bad.
 


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 8:31am
Those 50/50 sugar/fat foods are often the most fattening but unfortunately also the most tasty and moreish, e.g , ice cream and cheesecake!


Posted By: spork141
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 8:46am
god Damn I love ice cream!


Posted By: *lefty*
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 11:13am
currently in my freezer

http://jenis.com/flavors/ice-creams/wildberry-lavender/" rel="nofollow - http://jenis.com/flavors/ice-creams/wildberry-lavender/

I love jeni's, even if it is $1 for every damn bite.


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Posted By: proulxsie
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 11:25am
Originally posted by *lefty* *lefty* wrote:

I love jeni's

me too. 


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Posted By: spork141
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 11:32am
Originally posted by *lefty* *lefty* wrote:

currently in my freezer

http://jenis.com/flavors/ice-creams/wildberry-lavender/" rel="nofollow - http://jenis.com/flavors/ice-creams/wildberry-lavender/

I love jeni's, even if it is $1 for every damn bite.

Never heard of had Jenni's. Call me traditional, but I still love myself the classic soft serve twist on a cone with chocolate sprinkles. Nothing too fancy...

PS. This convo changed direction quickly!


Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 11:37am
Bow before the junk food god:



You can keep your silly ice cream.


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Posted By: spork141
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 11:48am
cronut?


Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 12:12pm
No no no no no.  Sour cream glazed old fashioned. 


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 12:30pm
You lot had better stop this otherwise with your humble roots, collective lack of education and limited aspirations, you'll end up just like the poor souls Double 0 described to start this whole thing a few pages back.


Posted By: spork141
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 4:00pm
Originally posted by hollows hollows wrote:

No no no no no.  Sour cream glazed old fashioned. 

Sour............cream............glazed????  i dont even know how to react.


Posted By: Bob Dale
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2014 at 4:15pm
What scares me is 'food science' -- scientists who make food taste better than it should, and essentially it becomes addictive.

I crave weird foods that I know are horrible for me.  I told my boss the other day as we drove past a Mcdonalds at lunch -- Mcdonalds is like an abusive relationship.  I hate it, but there are times where simply put 'I need some mcnuggets' -- and after I eat them I always think to myself -WHY?

Why did i eat that?

I ate that because somewhere deep in my brain are memories of my childhood and Mcdonalds being a reward for good behavior.

My parents were prudent and Mcdonalds was ALWAYS a treat as a kid.  I was aware that it a- cost, and b- was only a sometimes food.  It's scary because my parents one or the other always cooked dinner.  I feel like moderation 'works' -- but you're still gonna crave pure garbage.


Coke is interesting - it has been proven that the 'original' formula in fact is nothing like the original formula.  I will have to find it, but in the 80s after the failure that was 'New Coke' certain elements from new coke were incorporated into the formula such as increased caffeine and sodium levels and of course the switch from refined sugar to high fructose corn sugar this also coinsided with the introduction of larger sizes.

This was engineered to drive sales, which is how businesses make money.  But it is sad.

As much as I consume Coca-Cola and love the lore of Coca-Cola there is a lot about the company that is pretty scary.  I've read some articles and items from a publication of the company called 'the refresher' -- in some spots it reads exactly like guides on how to prosthelitize people.




Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2014 at 1:34am
All good points maynard, I used York/Harrogate as an instance because apart from Goole (where you could argue that smack is a defining factor in weight control) the only other place i have visited in that locality would be the North Yorkshire moors.

The people i was describing did not appear victim to mere social/economic issues they wasn't carrying a few extra pounds due to misleading labeling of foodstuffs (although sporks points are absolutely correct) they were morbidly obease, and the scale of the problem was quite alarming compared to other regions. Its one thing to be overweight and another to take it to the level that makes you prescription drug dependent and an NHS burden.

That's why i used the "regional depression" analogy because it seems like collective mental illness. They had breathing difficulties the rode disability scooters, the stress on their heart must be enormous but they were swigging bottles of Lucozade and eating Greggs. The menfolk will have been affected by the collapse of heavy industry to a certain extent but the women? The larger folks get the estimate of what people consider an average weight to be.

Setterman- A good point you make, Personally I can understand peoples fall into drug/alcohol dependency by means of escaping social issues a lot more than i can understand the food kick, but if McDonalds is your local drug dealer?
Hollows- With a business that provides the means to hold up ones trousers you should be actively promoting the Yo-Yo diet.
Bob- My parents were equally prudent if i wanted a drink as a kid they used to say "get some corporation wine its free from the tap" or water to you and i. My missus has never eaten a take away, McDonalds, KFC, Starbucks ect. I forced her to go into a chip shop around 5 years ago just for the social experience but i would have to actively seek out a fast food restaurant, i don't have to deal with temptation. Abstinence is my prefered method, I haven't eaten fast food for 20 years Im not being conceited i also have a relatively poor diet. Most days i eat a bowl of bran flakes, Dorset Cereal (porridge in the winter) or the like but where the manufacturer recommends a 30g serving i have around 150g (500kcal 25%rec) then i eat fruit for lunch and an evening meal. I do this every day my food bill with for work with milk and coffee for the week comes to less than £10 if you have a lack of money i recommend it, its very uninspiring but allows me a few alcoholic beverages by means of relaxation with my wife on an evening when Jr has gone to bed. I have never dieted or exercised just try to live an outdoor lifestyle wherever possible.

I would be interested to hear other peoples techniques for maintaining a healthy body weight??

I will try to come up with an equally debate worthy observation for tomorrow...



Posted By: spork141
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2014 at 4:49am
I said id post some interesting links yesterday. Here they are

(Disclaimer. 2 and a half years ago I gave up eating meat. I participated in a bet to go veggie for a month and after I was done I kept going until today. It's a lifestyle choice and I don't try to shove it down anyone's throat. Some of the stuff below might come from vegan / veggie stuff, but the health parts are still very important for all. It's light on the meat stuff I promise)

START HERE: This link explains calorie density. It explains how we pretty much all eat the same weight in food, but some of us put on much more weight. This is the best place to start.

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gTLpTq1nQk" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gTLpTq1nQk


THis next video explains why we are naturally attracted to calorie dense foods, and how we get addicted to them. THis is a DEEP video and very interesting. It also talks about gambling, sex, and even relaxing. If you really want to change things for the better, this is a good video to watch

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxf4kj8Rb6Y" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxf4kj8Rb6Y


Heres some extra stuff about olive oil / calorie destiny / and pleasure trap stuff listed above.

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op6W4UKjRVw" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op6W4UKjRVw

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGGQxJLuVjg" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGGQxJLuVjg

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWi6dXCT7I" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VWi6dXCT7I


Heres some stuff on government and its awful relationship to the food industry. Here you will learn how lobbiest got schools to approve pizza as a serving of vegetables because it has tomato paste, and how soda is argued to fulllfill a few servings of water, so it can be part of a "well balanced meal"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/27/us-usa-foodlobby-idUSBRE83Q0ED20120427" rel="nofollow - http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/27/us-usa-foodlobby-idUSBRE83Q0ED20120427

Great documentary called FED UP: Talks about sugar and government. Also talks about how the "Diet and Exercise" , "eat in moderation" and "Well Balanced Meal" are all BS terms and made up by the food industry. POINT: If all your food is poisoned with addictive sugars, it won't mater how much you exercise or watch your eating. Many people don't have access to non processed foods.

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCUbvOwwfWM" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCUbvOwwfWM



Lastly, if you want to go on a great diet and are open to going veggie / vegan for a month, I suggest Engine 2 Diet. The recipes are very straight forward and fullfilling. Pastas, burritos, black bean burgers. Even if you just want to drop a few, this is a great place to start

intro
http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XYTd1pUlN8" rel="nofollow - http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XYTd1pUlN8

website
http://engine2diet.com/" rel="nofollow - http://engine2diet.com/


And don't forget to live a little. The stuff above is all important to know, but it doesn't mean you need to give up on entirely enjoying life.  Thanks for reading


Posted By: proulxsie
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2014 at 7:04am
*realized this post is kinda ignorant and first world problem-ish so I deleted it, nothing to see here*

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Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2014 at 7:18am
Let's be honest - you're slim and don't like cooking or perhaps eating. Other people do, so I think you've partially answered your own question. However, I'm not sure that many people do have 3 square meals a day - I'd wager that it's usually toast/cereal/fruit for breakfast, sandwiches for lunch and a cooked dinner in the evening for most, plus of course numerous unhealthy snacks throughout the day.


Posted By: proulxsie
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2014 at 7:19am
Another observation in possibly the wrong venue:

The sexualization of women in american pop culture has always bothered me. I distinctly remember realizing it when Britney Spears was coming into view when I was in middle school and feeling SUPER alienated by all these messages of 'be pretty, be sexy, all that matters is how a dude sees you.'  I've never felt 'sexy' in the classic sense a day in my damn life—I try to remind myself that being 'sexy' is unimportant and hell, I've got a lot of other shit going for me—but it can sometimes be a bit of a bummer to be bombarded by these images on a daily basis and feel like you don't identify with them AT ALL.

But yet, I label myself a feminist and I always have conflicting feelings about this—am I pissed that I have to look at women being sexy because some major label suit bro decided that's the de facto marketing scheme for women in pop culture? Absolutely. But at the same time I think it's pretty rad that women can be super sexual on TV and still be somewhat respected (in my mind at least anyway)—which seems like progress from 1950s June Cleaver.

For ex of what I mean: I just watched Nicki Minaj's 'anaconda' music video and my initial reaction was : 'Ugh this music video is SO sexualized and typical and just perpetuating this 'be sexy' 'be crude' 'be raunchy' bullshit'... it's a music video I've seen manifested 500 different ways before, you know? It's not special. It doesn't really mean anything. It's not saying anything new.  But then in the same breath I'll think "Well it's kinda cool that she made a video where she uses Drake—who is this male pop culture icon in a sense—as a prop in the way women are used in music videos quite frequently." If you haven't seen the video, she gives him a lapdance but when he reaches out to touch her at the end of the scene she slaps his hand away and is like 'haha fuck you i'm just having fun—because I'm the boss—BYE!' which is pretty amazing in a way.

I think the moral of this story is I need to just STOP watching music videos.


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Posted By: spork141
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2014 at 7:24am
I have to agree with Maynard here. Lots of people live on the go life styles and do the entire lunch is breakfast thing. Also lots of people eat gummy bears for breakfast and are still crazy thin. But for the majority of us, cooking your own food is really important to avoid being fat. And yes it is very time consuming and doesn't always work with the hustle and bustle of 2014


Posted By: spork141
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2014 at 7:37am
Originally posted by proulxsie proulxsie wrote:

Another observation in possibly the wrong venue:

The sexualization of women in american pop culture has always bothered me. I distinctly remember realizing it when Britney Spears was coming into view when I was in middle school and feeling SUPER alienated by all these messages of 'be pretty, be sexy, all that matters is how a dude sees you.'  I've never felt 'sexy' in the classic sense a day in my damn life—I try to remind myself that being 'sexy' is unimportant and hell, I've got a lot of other shit going for me—but it can sometimes be a bit of a bummer to be bombarded by these images on a daily basis and feel like you don't identify with them AT ALL.

But yet, I label myself a feminist and I always have conflicting feelings about this—am I pissed that I have to look at women being sexy because some major label suit bro decided that's the de facto marketing scheme for women in pop culture? Absolutely. But at the same time I think it's pretty rad that women can be super sexual on TV and still be somewhat respected (in my mind at least anyway)—which seems like progress from 1950s June Cleaver.

For ex of what I mean: I just watched Nicki Minaj's 'anaconda' music video and my initial reaction was : 'Ugh this music video is SO sexualized and typical and just perpetuating this 'be sexy' 'be crude' 'be raunchy' bullshit'... it's a music video I've seen manifested 500 different ways before, you know? It's not special. It doesn't really mean anything. It's not saying anything new.  But then in the same breath I'll think "Well it's kinda cool that she made a video where she uses Drake—who is this male pop culture icon in a sense—as a prop in the way women are used in music videos quite frequently." If you haven't seen the video, she gives him a lapdance but when he reaches out to touch her at the end of the scene she slaps his hand away and is like 'haha fuck you i'm just having fun—because I'm the boss—BYE!' which is pretty amazing in a way.

I think the moral of this story is I need to just STOP watching music videos.

Haha yes. Music videos are pretty much soft core porn these days. Not that there's anything wrong with that (joke..maybe not:)

Anyway. I always think a weird thing about sex and mainstream feminism is that it doesn't take into account that it's the same flavor for women viewers. Meaning that girls also prefer their male pop icons all sexy, it's just that sexy to them is not a dude dancing around in a thong. Case in point: drake is in that video wearing a tight shirt, not meatloaf or billy joel. Even when it is someone who might not stick out as a looker (maybe jayz) many women still consider that sexy since he has a lot of money. 

Yeah maybe it's not fair. But nature made men (us) this way. And sex sells. So what's the conclusion? There's still ice cream and pie :)


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2014 at 7:38am
Sorry proulxsie, Im not picking on you but I wouldn't read too much into that particular video - it's just pop superstars massaging each other's ego and increasing their own popularity/marketability in the process, a bit of an old boys' network for the 21st century. Don't be surprised when the roles are reversed in Drake's (who he?!) next video.


Posted By: proulxsie
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2014 at 7:43am
I know, I know—"ignore it, it's just the status quo"—just sucks that the status quo is so lame.

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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2014 at 2:32am
This observation might simply turn into a rant so bear with me...

When i was a kid dogs used to roam around your neighbourhood especially when a local bitch was in season some even became part of your gang therefor you had to dodge the dog shit on the pavements or end up scraping it off your soles with a lolly stick. Over the past three decades with efforts to clean up the streets dogs don't roam anymore and pet owners have become more considerate and bag dog mess.

Here goes the observation/rant...

I live in a semi rural area therefore off the beaten track there is shit everywhere from livestock but dog walkers will walk a trail and they are conscientious enough to bag their poo even though there is nobody around to see them but they get back to the end of the trail and they have nowhere to dispose of it so they will just leave it on top of a drystone wall or hung on a stile... Who the fuck do they think is going to take it home? it could be there for months. If they would have just left the shit on the trail the rain would wash it away within a few days.  They obviously have the best intentions that's why they pick it up in the first place.
Is it ignorance or blatant stupidity?
The Peak District is now dotted with plastic bags full of dog shit that will take 100x longer to degrade.

This has come to the forefront of my mind because last weekend i was riding through the trees on single track going too fast to make evasive maneuvers and was hit in the face by a bag of putrid liquified shit that somebody had the decency to pick up from the trail but then decided to throw it into the trees...

Edit- It was hanging from a branch not thrown in my face.



Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2014 at 2:42am
Don't fret too much 00. Everyone likes to get shitfaced now and then as a consequence of throwing caution to the wind and enjoying too much liquid intake!


Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2014 at 2:43am
I would think its ignorance & laziness on their parts. Perhaps there is an assumption that trails are managed by whatever county council and therefore looked after/maintained/observed on a regular basis.

Maybe this is something that needs adding to the country code (if it still exists?)

I would petition the council to get the odd sign put on a gate here & there. You never know- it may have a positive effect.

I remember as a kid getting dog shite stuck in the soles of my monkey boots on many occasions. It was a nightmare to scrape out.


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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2014 at 3:07am
There is already too many signs in the countryside imo MrB. I can understand why people don't want to take shit home. I was hiking with a friend of mine who picked up his dogs (Daisy) poo and put it in the leg pocket of his cargo shorts only to forget about it... Chucked em in the wash and his missus washed the poo through the household washing after five attempts to rid the families clothing of the stench it all went in the bin.


Posted By: redragon
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2014 at 3:50am
Simple Observation from recent trip to the states...
Cheap hotel (motel 8, best western) offer free wifi while in more expensive 5 star hotel, you still have to pay for wifi + room fee.
Does not make any logical sense.


Posted By: spork141
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2014 at 5:59am
Originally posted by redragon redragon wrote:

Simple Observation from recent trip to the states...
Cheap hotel (motel 8, best western) offer free wifi while in more expensive 5 star hotel, you still have to pay for wifi + room fee.
Does not make any logical sense.

Welcome to the capital of capitalism sir! Hope you had a chance to visit the complimentary "continental" breakfast while you were there. 


Posted By: Sardine
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2014 at 6:13am
Originally posted by Double 0 Soul Double 0 Soul wrote:

This observation might simply turn into a rant so bear with me...

When i was a kid dogs used to roam around your neighbourhood especially when a local bitch was in season some even became part of your gang therefor you had to dodge the dog shit on the pavements or end up scraping it off your soles with a lolly stick. Over the past three decades with efforts to clean up the streets dogs don't roam anymore and pet owners have become more considerate and bag dog mess.

Here goes the observation/rant...

I live in a semi rural area therefore off the beaten track there is shit everywhere from livestock but dog walkers will walk a trail and they are conscientious enough to bag their poo even though there is nobody around to see them but they get back to the end of the trail and they have nowhere to dispose of it so they will just leave it on top of a drystone wall or hung on a stile... Who the fuck do they think is going to take it home? it could be there for months. If they would have just left the shit on the trail the rain would wash it away within a few days.  They obviously have the best intentions that's why they pick it up in the first place.
Is it ignorance or blatant stupidity?
The Peak District is now dotted with plastic bags full of dog shit that will take 100x longer to degrade.

This has come to the forefront of my mind because last weekend i was riding through the trees on single track going too fast to make evasive maneuvers and was hit in the face by a bag of putrid liquified shit that somebody had the decency to pick up from the trail but then decided to throw it into the trees...

Edit- It was hanging from a branch not thrown in my face.

Double O - I think that people intend to pick up the crap, but forget (after wheezing up and down hills). My wife and I hike and camp often with our dogs and we just make sure that dog crap is knocked off trails with a stick and we don't let them leave bombs near water, or in dry streams. I don't know what kind of asshole you have to be to leave it at face height hanging from a branch.


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2014 at 6:23am
I don't think it was intentionally hung on that branch... Its tightly packed trees with single track weaving through running parallel to a trail, Im assuming Some cock had the good intention of bagging the poop but then could not be bothered to carry it home so slung it into the trees, out of sight out of mind if you will. It could have been hanging there for weeks before my unfortunate incident.


Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2014 at 6:34am
I'm currently reading a book called Black Swan Green and the novel is starting to merge with Double 0's life. 


Posted By: killer b
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2014 at 9:41am
well, this is nice (OO's dogshit facepack aside) - I've never liked to think too hard about the politics of people on here, so it's good to see that you're mainly righteous. Cool


Posted By: Sardine
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2014 at 11:57am
Originally posted by Double 0 Soul Double 0 Soul wrote:

I don't think it was intentionally hung on that branch... Its tightly packed trees with single track weaving through running parallel to a trail, Im assuming Some cock had the good intention of bagging the poop but then could not be bothered to carry it home so slung it into the trees, out of sight out of mind if you will. It could have been hanging there for weeks before my unfortunate incident.
It's nice of you to give them the benefit of the doubt, but you're still an asshole if you pitch a bag of crap up into a tree, or a teenager, but I don't think teenagers would actually bag the crap


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2014 at 12:23pm
Accepted^
Its not the kind of place you see teens very often, Sufficiently remote so most folks come by car and you do see the bags of poop at the start of the trails where cars can pull in from the road so in all probability it will be people who drive from nearby city's and ramble the Peak District occasionally in fine weather like we have been blessed with recently they will be used to picking up their dogs poop in public parks and disposing of it in the dog waste bins provided. But when they get out to the countryside and don't find the bin they probably panic and enter a state of confusion leaving the shit on wall before driving home. If the 1hr drive is worthwhile for the scenery why fuck it up?


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2014 at 1:03pm
It's probably just another 'drive-by shitting' from those meddling city folk. Why can't they just let us be?!


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2014 at 1:46pm
Maybe a Well Dressing will deter them? Failing that a Wicker Man.


Posted By: tg76
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2014 at 5:49pm
reminds me of a couple of years ago when the forestry douches cleared the pines around our local MTB park and one of them took a dump in the middle of a track, right on the ride line, my brother was the unfortunate one to discover it on a rainy day after it got sprayed all up his back too late
people are awesome


Posted By: Bob Dale
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2014 at 5:00pm
I could afford the things I really want to buy if I didn't automatically use all the money I have budgeted for non-discretionary purchases on stupid crap.





Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2014 at 1:31am
Since when did it become acceptable for kids to use the word "Fart" When i was a kid the socially excepted term was "Trump". Since my kid started school i have been constantly correcting over his language thinking he had picked it up at school but during the 6weeks holidays we have been watching some cartoons aimed at kids his age and most do use the "F" word, and not just cartoons books too.

It appears the word  is now socially acceptable and its just me who is out of touch with modern life... "No No! not you Double 0 we don't accept that"  i hear you all say..

Im not saying the word Fart was ever particularly offensive you might have heard it on Grange Hill or programs aimed at teenagers. On the swearing scale it was always below piss and well below shit but if i had said fart in the company of my parents at the age of 5 i would have been rightly told off. Is this the beginning of a decline in what we consider offensive language? Will my Grand kids hear the TeleTubbies telling each other to Fuck Off?

My other observation is... Adventure Time with Finn and Jake is a masterpiece!



Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2014 at 1:41am
'Fart' is socially acceptable to younger people - it's just the evolution of language. Let it go.

Adventure Time (with Jake the Dog and Finn the Human!) is superb - my kids love it. The Regular Show is great too.


Posted By: Bob Dale
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2014 at 7:37pm
I was never allowed to say 'fart' as a kid, it was 'toot' or typically 'I tooted, HAHAHAHAHA' .




Posted By: mr randal
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2014 at 7:40pm
Huh, fart was always acceptable where I lived in the south as a kid, although it wasn't a subject for polite company. It wasnt considered a swear word, so far as I recall.

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Posted By: Bob Dale
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2014 at 7:48pm
I think maybe it was closer to 'not polite' -- I don't think I would have gotten in to  trouble for saying it now that you mention it Mr Randal.

It was kind of like talking about feces -- I could refer to it but it wasn't polite.






Posted By: topgearskin
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2014 at 4:04am
I'm happy to find that language and what is acceptable language is constantly evolving. As a child of the 70s it was "normal" to hear many words, referring to an individual's race or religion, which are now taboo. This is a good thing.

Weirdly I was allowed to say "bloody hell" as a teenager, yet "twat" was outlawed.


Posted By: Bob Dale
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2014 at 3:22pm
I don't follow football at all - but of course it is all over the news - so, given that as of late this has been the thread to discuss news/et cetera and Adrian Peterson has been all over the news-

Let's hear some thoughts/experiences about corporal punishment.

I'll start.


I was spanked up until i was 11 or 12 maybe, completely pointless.  It just taught me to get better at not getting caught.

My children will not be spanked.


 


Posted By: Sardine
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2014 at 3:33pm
I don't even have a guess about how many times I got spanked as a kid and I totally agree, it's pointless. Talking to a kid (assuming the kid can understand) teaches them way more about respecting you as a parent and other people as human beings.


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 12:56am
Assuming the kid can understand is key, I had to smack my kid once because he kept shoving things in the electrical plug sockets (we have 240v), even as a 2year old very dextrous with the ability to remove the socket guards using tools. I could not risk him getting electrocuted.

How do you Americans feel about the death sentence? Feels pretty barbaric to us Brits and it seems to make little difference as a deterrent? Do you see a future America without it?


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 3:42am
I have just bought a lovely bunch of black grapes from the fruit & veg shop, They had both the seedless variety that i chose or regular grapes with seeds. They both bared impressively plump fruit with a negligible difference in cost and it got me thinking why would somebody choose to eat grapes with seeds if seedless grapes are available? What can grape seeds offer to enhance the grape eating experience? I just find them annoying.


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 4:09am
Perhaps some people just enjoy spitting them out!


Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 4:15am
I used to enjoy flicking them at my sister. If you squeeze them betwixt thumb & forefinger you can get some decent power from them.


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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 4:47am
Originally posted by Maynard Friedsan Maynard Friedsan wrote:

Perhaps some people just enjoy spitting them out!


Alright smarty pants answer this... While at said Fruit & Veg shop i also noticed a small tray of 6 Kumquats for £1.75 they are ridiculously difficult to peal sour in flavour with pips and offer an unfulfilling less than pleasurable eat and the food miles leaves an even less pleasurable taste in the mouth than the Kumquat. Alternatively 6 Satsumas that are easy to peal removing the skin in one piece (should one be sufficiently skilled in the art) offer a more substantial pip free sweet pleasurable eat and they cost half the price. Fruit sellers are peddling the dark arts im telling you.


Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 6:38am
Hey now, don't go hating on kumquats!  You're supposed to eat the whole thing, including the skin.

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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 6:53am
That's what they said to the poor kids trying to figure out how to eat a banana after the end of rationing. You must be in cahoots with the super evil kumquat marketing board hollows.




Posted By: mr randal
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 9:57am
"NPR will now take a brief break from our pledge drive to go to Fresh Air, where the Fresh Air book reviewer Maureen McCormack will interview herself about her recent book about herself reading Moby Dick out loud to herself."

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Posted By: attackwithstones
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 11:51am
Holy hell Randal is that a real quote?

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Posted By: mr randal
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2014 at 12:44pm
It's exagerrated slightly, but only slightly.

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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 2:43am
More Chin Stroking...
Dress codes, Imposed or otherwise?

Over the years an imposed dress code has never sat too comfortably with me. My style of dress albeit relatively costly and meticulously well crafted is probably not even considered suitable enough to get me into a city center bar on a fri/sat night should i ever wish to lower my standards of course... Whereas some nasty high street made in Vietnam garbage would guarantee entry.

Folks who have to wear a suit for work can make the transition easily between formal and casual, But for me I have spent my life avoiding the dress code. Growing up we never had a school uniform, I have never been to church, I have never had a job interview, I have never worn a tie or would even know how to go about tying one?
I have never owned a suit, a pair of trousers or a pair of shiny shoes, Commendable! you might say, and the younger me would have said the same but im starting to feel slightly embarrassed by it.

Club Culture as it was in the early 90,s (not to be confused with Culture Club in the 80,s) never required any kind of dress code and i never frequented the kind of joints that required shiny shoes. I even got married informally wearing LVC 47,s and Converse, Im in good company Mr Black wore jeans on his wedding day too.
All the funerals i have attended have been for a lost generation of school friends who have died from overdose/drug related illness/mental illness ect. therefor carried out through informal ceremony. luckily (for my close family and friends) i have not had to attend a formal funeral.

I have always carefully considered what i buy/wear which is standard denimbro procedure and as a younger man i always believed in the unwavering confidence that "i could pull this off" whatever the occasion even when im older "fuck you society for imposing conformity on me"

Alas, looking to the future..
Less than 1% of folk would consider my style (or lack of) anything other than jeans, sweatshirt, old army jacket and boots to anybody but us i have made fuck all effort.

Yet another digression... There will be a point to my musings eventually... over the last 20years i have tended to avoid formal occasions, weddings ect they are not really my thing, for the unavoidable i have worn my usual garb but probably not looked too out of place due to the fact i was a younger man and not "expected" to buy a suit for the day but as i get older i am either feeling self imposed pressure to conform to an imaginary more suitable dress code come the next wedding or funeral.
Maybe age is giving me a different perspective on the fact that in the eyes of others i would simply look more appropriate fitting in with the considered norm am i thinking i should dress to please others rather than myself or im loosing my fuck you im wearing what i want confidence.

Most of my friends are the outdoor type and they too carefully consider what they wear but more along the lines of dressing to suit their environment (Is this jacket  high lofting? will it pack down rather than does this jacket actually look good) with style always coming in second after functionality. I don't actually know anyone who has an office job or is required to wear any kind of dress code for work but come a wedding or funeral ALL of my friends can pull out the appropriate suit.

Being of the denimbro persuasion if i did choose to buy something more formal for occasions that "require" it i like most of you would not be happy with a simple off the peg Marks & Sparks suit i would want something that reflects my sense of style more appropriately... Emperors new clothes rather than ASOS which would cause me to overspend on something that i would only get the opportunity to wear once or maybe twice in a decade therefor it would be a complete waste of money.

How long can i pull off casual without looking like Daley Thompson in his red Adidas tracky at a black tie dinner. How do you all get on with more formal dress occasions do you simply have a cheap suit/shoes that you can wear.. grin and bear the feeling your wearing somebody else's clothing while taking a reluctant day off from DB steeze? Are you simply in denial like me? or do you dress well formally and look damn good?



Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 3:17am
Double 0, if you need just one suit for formal occasions such as weddings, funerals, etc, then buy a classic no-frills 2-button single-breasted black suit (you may get away with navy if you prefer that). If you want to buy off the shelf, you can look at some of the upmarket shops, department stores, etc, although sadly many are made in China, but often from decent Italian or English cloth. You can find a local tailors (or visit Savile Row!) who can make you a bespoke suit or if you are a standard size, they can simply adjust one of their stock suits to give you a more personal fit. It really depends on how much you want to spend.

Next you'll probably just want some classic black shoes (brown is probably too informal and also works better with lighter coloured suits), my preference is a brogue or maybe a single monk strap (not the faddy double monk) from a renowned English shoemaker.

Finally, add a plain white shirt (I prefer a slim-fit double cuff with semi-cutaway collar) from a traditional English shirtmaker (again, much of the manufacturing is now offshored, so look carefully) and a plain, dark tie. Sorted!


Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 3:34am
I'm lucky enough to work in an environment to wear pretty much what I want as long as it's considered decent and inoffensive

(today- breton top, spellbound vest, sammies, yellow converse 1970's)

However on the rare occasions that I do have to dress up, I like to do it properly. I'd love to have a suit made to my specs but for the 2 or 3 occasions a year that I need to dress up for it certainly can't be justified.

Much like yourselves, i'm very particular about what I wear and although I don't want to particularly stand out, I certainly don't want to look like everyone else- in an ill fitting, badly made suit that screams 'cheap and made no real effort'. If i'm going to have to do it, I may as well try to do it properly!!

I think wearing a suit to certain occasions (weddings, funerals, awards ceremonies etc) is a bit of a mark of respect to the event and to me, pulling on a cheapo polyester jobbie just wouldn't do it.

I'd suggest - as Maynard states, getting something fairly plain & basic but in a nice fabric- mohair or such like that drapes well and looks a bit more 'quality'. Places like Charles Tyrwritt do some decent enough whistles which you can then take to your local tailor to be adapted as you wish. Make sure you get a decent shirt too with a collar shape that works well with your suit.

Team that with a piano tie  and comedy socks.  you'll look a right bobby dazzler;)


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Posted By: nick
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 3:45am
WW2 de-mob suit?


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 3:48am
^ Fine if you want to look like Nicholas Lyndhurst in 'Goodnight Sweetheart'!

"Anyone want to buy some nylons?"


Posted By: nick
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 3:53am
Are you saying that Double OO bears a physical resemblance to Nicholas Lyndhurst?


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 4:00am
Nicholas Lyndhurst is the guy from The Great Escape who rides the motorcycle???


Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 4:02am
Yes Double O- That's the one.

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Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 4:04am
I once told a mate of mines fiancee that she reminded me a bit of Nicholas Lyndhurst when he was in Butterflies.

I didn't go down well.


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Posted By: Duke Mantee
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 4:05am
Originally posted by Double 0 Soul Double 0 Soul wrote:

Nicholas Lyndhurst is the guy from The Great Escape who rides the motorcycle???



Yup . . .



Posted By: spork141
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 4:23am
I'm my older age (36) mosquitoes only seem to bite me in the fingers and feet. Is this normal? Little bastards!


Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 4:27am
Where would you rather they bite you?


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Posted By: Duke Mantee
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 5:06am
re. the Double 00 Soul-searching; isn't this more about how you want to look (and feel) rather than simply buying a 'good' dark suit, 'good' white shirt and 'good' other items to complete the good look that will camouflage sufficiently from the withering stares of the offended?

In years gone by, I was regularly told by my bosses to wear a suit, shirt and tie - so I did . . . then I was told said suit was not, erm, suitable.

Now no-one wears a tie, few wear suits and that once exigent position has now evaporated into what is referred to as smart but casual . . . whatever the f-ck that is.

I like suits, jackets and all that kind of thing - but I like the ones I want to wear, not the ones others think I should wear.

It seems like your whole life you've worn what you want and I don't think it's unreasonable to believe there must also be a suit/jacket out there that would fit into your ethos rather than the generic solution (unless of course generic is the answer).


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 5:13am
What suit did you wear that wasn't appropriate Duke? Kid Creole and the Coconuts style?

I like your analysis above too Duke, reminds me of 'The Smartest Giant in Town' by Julia Donaldson!


Posted By: spork141
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 5:30am
Originally posted by Mr Black Mr Black wrote:

Where would you rather they bite you?

ahh. This sets me up for a great joke! But I can't think of anything that won't make me sound like a douchebag. So I'm gonna pass. Well done sir!

If i had to answer honestly, anywhere where I could put up a good fight! You wouldn't think it, but guarding 20 extremities is harder than you think. 


Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 5:47am
@ spork. I have a bite on my ear at the mo. It's a feckin' irritation for sure!!. My son got a bite on his scrotum a couple of years back ( he was 6 or 7 at the time). We got quite a few disapproving glances as he was constantly scritching himself.

Quite funny in retrospect but he/we were mortified at the time.

In one of my previous jobs, our office was based in the Saatchi & saatchi building in central London. There was one extremely dapper  gent i'd see strutting around in an Evisu suit. Cut beautifully in raw denim. The only thing that gave it away as Evisu was a small gull on one of the pocket flaps.

If I had the money and the cause, that's what i'd have.


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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 5:50am
Originally posted by Duke Mantee Duke Mantee wrote:

re. the Double 00 Soul-searching; isn't this more about how you want to look (and feel) rather than simply buying a 'good' dark suit, 'good' white shirt and 'good' other items to complete the good look that will camouflage sufficiently from the withering stares of the offended?

In years gone by, I was regularly told by my bosses to wear a suit, shirt and tie - so I did . . . then I was told said suit was not, erm, suitable.

Now no-one wears a tie, few wear suits and that once exigent position has now evaporated into what is referred to as smart but casual . . . whatever the f-ck that is.

I like suits, jackets and all that kind of thing - but I like the ones I want to wear, not the ones others think I should wear.

It seems like your whole life you've worn what you want and I don't think it's unreasonable to believe there must also be a suit/jacket out there that would fit into your ethos rather than the generic solution (unless of course generic is the answer).


Its more about taking into consideration how other folks think i should look for a change rather than just wearing what i think should be suitable.

If i thought that i would wear a suit/jacket often the cost would be irrelevant and the time spent researching my options (at the mo even the lingo surrounding formal dress seems alien to me) would be time well spent but i rarely go to occasions i feel warrants formality and i wouldn't choose that style of garb as my daily,  it would probably come out the closet for weddings and funerals.

My old man for one will be meticulously turned out even for a pub lunch? he was in the forces though so unlike me has had a period of his life with folks telling him what to wear. He often sneers at my continual wearing of denim.

If everyone dressed casually for weddings and wot not then i would do the same but they all come suited and booted and im becoming more conscious of the fact that im still wearing jeans like a teenager...



Posted By: Duke Mantee
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 7:09am
Maynard - kipper ties and zoot suits look good on me . . . I think the bosses were just jealous.

As for the smartest giant? Well I'm really not that tall.


Posted By: Duke Mantee
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 7:14am
Originally posted by Double 0 Soul Double 0 Soul wrote:

Its more about taking into consideration how other folks think i should look for a change rather than just wearing what i think should be suitable.


I understand, but I really believe both things are possible.


Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 7:39am
These days, with 'Smart casual' being acceptable, you can probably just dress up a pair of jeans without feeling you've been compromised.

Decent pair of shoes- brogues, loafers, whatever, shirt and a jackets- maybe something in more of a workers style rather than a clarkson combo.

People such as Albam/private white etc do something that may tick the  boxes

http://www.albamclothing.com/product/19025/japanese-seersucker/technical-blazer.asp

http://www.privatewhitevc.com/worksuit-jacket-olive-goodwood-revival-workwear.html



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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 8:02am
Agreed Duke, Im not saying i can't or wont i simply saying i haven't previously but now considering it for reasons stated.

I would probably avoid the compromise MrB like you if im doing it im doing it right...


Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2014 at 8:09am
I've always thought you'd look very handsome in a suit.

I say always...


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