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    Posted: 11 Jan 2020 at 12:10am
Pretend this didn't have a label- then ask me back in 2009- Who made this?
My answer would have been Boss of the Road (Neuatdater Bro's)
Clearly by the early to mid 1880's- This was Levi's main style of pant that competed with them.
We have- for lack of a better word, referred to this as a dart stitch.
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Dirty stinking pack rat bastards- looks more like a shark bite.613 by bottleswest, on Flickr

4 times out of 10- you will see that a miner doesn't  like any back pockets, probably some old school guy- doesn't like sitting on rocks in his back pockets?




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Almost every company that we have seen, making this style of dart stitch pant-
uses this style cinch strap configuration.

611 by bottleswest, on Flickr

We have searched California trade marks-we searched federal trademarks.
So far- we have been unable to put a name to the company making these pants.
The letters JB are woven in the middle of the horse shoe.

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Replacement fly button. This pant dates some time before 1883- It has hand sewn
button holes.
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Most Likely- XX Amoskeag denim, and there's a good chance it's long staple cotton.


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Most companies like this one, uses some sort of felled seam on the yoke.

Levi might be the only company that uses an open yoke seam up until 1893-94
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Boss of the Road- first label
Pants should date to the late 1882-84
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Mike, I found some reference to a Good Luck Clothing company in What Cheer, Iowa. Seems to have been around in the late 1800s, sold out in 1901.  What Cheer was a coal mining town. There was also a Good Luck Shoe and Clothing Co in Butte, Montana. But from the look of their ads they were more shoes and formal clothing.

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Originally posted by buler buler wrote:

Mike, I found some reference to a Good Luck Clothing company in What Cheer, Iowa. Seems to have been around in the late 1800s, sold out in 1901.  What Cheer was a coal mining town. There was also a Good Luck Shoe and Clothing Co in Butte, Montana. But from the look of their ads they were more shoes and formal clothing.

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Thx buler- great to have you on the case.
Most of the time, but not always, if these companies are based in NY or SF
they will have NY & SF on the label.
It made us think when we found them, this might be a pant from either of these states.
Still unsure what makes these pants patented?
So it looks like we should do a trademark search in Iowa, this might shed a little light on the JB in the horseshoe?
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Thought i should post this here- its the first time i noticed Boston Mass at the top of the billhead?

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Maybe that's a J and W (not JB) in the horseshoe. Could stand for Joseph Whitman who is listed as running the firm of Coburn & Whitman.

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Originally posted by buler buler wrote:

Maybe that's a J and W (not JB) in the horseshoe. Could stand for Joseph Whitman who is listed as running the firm of Coburn & Whitman.

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I like that explanation- but I can’t make out a W- in the two letters in the middle of the horseshoe- what looks like a B, connects on both sides.
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Question for you buler- if you trademark in one state, can another company take out the same wording in another state?
We would be talking late 1870’s - early 1880’s
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