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    Posted: 15 Jan 2020 at 11:08pm
late 1880's early 90's check jacket, this one's from- the 2 miners collection we found a few years back. It's hard to see, this one's a double pleated- 1 pocket.
In 2015- we found a brown check jacket, with no pleats.
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My oldest daughter- wearing it.
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Thanks ray for that explanation of the law- now I wonder if that would include territories too?
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Sansome - Trademark law is crazy in the US. I know enough about it to be dangerous and I don't practice in that area of law at all, but from what I recall from law school that trademark would have been protected in all 50 states.

The problem is that trademarks aren't self-enforcing, meaning someone can use it in another state for the exact same product without repercussion unless you sue them and stop them. 

At that time, I would bet there was plenty of inadvertent trademark overlap for common names, initials, and words, but the lack of real competition from an out of state competitor meant no one ever enforced the trademarks outside of their usual sales territory.
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Question for you buler- if you trademark in one state, can another company take out the same wording in another state?
We would be talking late 1870’s - early 1880’s
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Originally posted by buler buler wrote:

Maybe that's a J and W (not JB) in the horseshoe. Could stand for Joseph Whitman who is listed as running the firm of Coburn & Whitman.

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I like that explanation- but I can’t make out a W- in the two letters in the middle of the horseshoe- what looks like a B, connects on both sides.
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Maybe that's a J and W (not JB) in the horseshoe. Could stand for Joseph Whitman who is listed as running the firm of Coburn & Whitman.

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Thought i should post this here- its the first time i noticed Boston Mass at the top of the billhead?

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Originally posted by buler buler wrote:

Mike, I found some reference to a Good Luck Clothing company in What Cheer, Iowa. Seems to have been around in the late 1800s, sold out in 1901.  What Cheer was a coal mining town. There was also a Good Luck Shoe and Clothing Co in Butte, Montana. But from the look of their ads they were more shoes and formal clothing.

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Thx buler- great to have you on the case.
Most of the time, but not always, if these companies are based in NY or SF
they will have NY & SF on the label.
It made us think when we found them, this might be a pant from either of these states.
Still unsure what makes these pants patented?
So it looks like we should do a trademark search in Iowa, this might shed a little light on the JB in the horseshoe?
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Mike, I found some reference to a Good Luck Clothing company in What Cheer, Iowa. Seems to have been around in the late 1800s, sold out in 1901.  What Cheer was a coal mining town. There was also a Good Luck Shoe and Clothing Co in Butte, Montana. But from the look of their ads they were more shoes and formal clothing.

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Boss of the Road- first label
Pants should date to the late 1882-84
446 by bottleswest, on Flickr
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