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Topic: Bluebell's 'Wrangler' thread, originals and repros
Posted By: Dr_Heech
Subject: Bluebell's 'Wrangler' thread, originals and repros
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2012 at 9:24am
My only original- a 1963 22MJZ, according to 'Boon' vol 4 ....
 
 
 
 
Here's a fit -
 
 
 
 
Love the 'action-back' details particularly -
 
 
 
 
Old 'Scoville/Gripper-Zipper' and dot-tacks -
 
 
 
 
Label can be dated to circa 1963, so nearly fifty years old - condition is not bad for year -
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



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Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2012 at 9:25am



The only denim shirt I posses is the Wrangler 127MW. I had the Lee 'riders' shirt as well, but this won me over with it's yellow/orange stitching.
I also had the jeans and 11MJ jacket from this collection, from 2004 (now long sold) and they all came in a very decorative box as well as some written history.
 
I also have the limited striped model -
 
 
 
 



Posted By: breaktwill
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 11:15pm



Posted By: breaktwill
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 11:30pm


Posted By: BGB
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2012 at 4:22am
cool only just seen this thread! love a bit of vintage wrangler!

Wrangler Blue Bell 13MWZ  












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Posted By: Bob Dale
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2012 at 5:22am





some shots of a 24MJZ I sold last May





Posted By: danisdead
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2012 at 12:09am
Very Nice ^^

some repros :)




Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2012 at 12:22pm

Decided to put something aside for the boy -
 
 





What l believe to be a pair of 13MWZ made in 1968 -
 
 
And a pair of 13MWZ made in 1969 -
 



Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 12:39am
Originally posted by topgearskin topgearskin wrote:

So there seems little information available about Wrangler denim in comparison to the other big brands. Does anyone know when the famous wrangler wrandam denim first appeared? I love that broken twill denim but have been debating its date, it was either 72 or mid 60's
Anyone know?


(I took topgears quote to this original Wrangler Blue Bell thread)

Yes, there could be a little more love for Wrangler. I suppose there is a slight difference in the image of Wrangler between continents. In US it is a southwest Rodeo loving cowboy jeans that you can get from wall-mart for 29.99 or less. Definetely not a premium denim brand. In Europe it is more contemporary and more in par with Lee and Levis. In Japan and rest of the Asia there are die-hard Wrangler enthusiasts and some nice repros (Ben the Rodeo Tailor, Edwin made jacket repros and even Real McCoy).

I was sorry to see their heritage Blue Bell line go defunct last year. There were some interesting pieces during the years but overall it lacked consistency, focus and direction - whether it wanted to be a true heritage repro line or modern streetwear inspired denim line with Blue Bell tags. Last couple of seasons were all made in USA using Cone Denim etc. but that only inflated the prices. I don't think it was ever even launched in the US!?

About Wrangler moving to Broken Twill: Don't remember the exact year either, and possibly it was not something that happened overnight. There seems to be both broken twill and right hand twill used in the late 60's products, especially Jackets. Anyway, I at least have never seen an original SELVAGE broken twill denim jeans or jacket from Wrangler, so moving to broken twill was also a move away from using shuttle loom selvage denim.

124MJ from circa 1965


W.H.Ranch Dungarees is currently making some interesting jeans from Selvage Broken Twill (from Japanese Kuroki Mill) and few years back there was a Wrangler x Marc Jacobs collaboration that had denim jackets made of blue selvage broken twill (pic below).







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Posted By: topgearskin
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2014 at 1:08am
Thanks for moving me to the right place, and the additional info.
I've done further digging and the latest update seems to have broken twill at 64 invented by a John walker.


Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2014 at 7:46am
Saw this picture in some ages old sufu Wrangler thread. I have tried to search the web for the origin but got wery bleak results. Anyone know who made these repros and did Wrangler at some point in history have this kind of gullwing or  "low M" stitching?

I know that they later had a M stitching in their Maverick range but that was steep like the regular wrangler W reversed.



 


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Posted By: topgearskin
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2014 at 8:48am

Anyone know when this style of jacket first appeared.
I'm struggling.
They were made in the early twill denim as well as the Wrandam zig zag.
The cord ones were definitely around in '68 (lots of people have said so and ive got a pic from early '69, clear as day).

The colourful hippy advert attached was reported to be 1970 (and others say '69) but isn't a great representation.
And the Western wear ad is '69 but this copy isn't quite clear enough to make it out.
Same with the how to spot a Wrangler - posted as '69 but this copy isn't clear enough.

My guess is '69 but that's with some speculation.

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Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2014 at 10:15am
@Denimetc - Sorry, cant help you with the repro

@Topgearskin - Hi, according to Boon vol 4 (denim jacket edition), your jacket was made from 1973-1978.

I know that the black label stuff is post '69 and that your jacket neck tag dates from the mid-seventies
I'm not that familiar with anything post '68 when it comes to
Wrangler so cant be of any more help unfortunately.




Posted By: topgearskin
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2014 at 10:59am
Thanks for the quick reply Dr H.

its more the style of the jacket I was questioning, rather than that particular one. The two pocket Levi type 3 style jacket.
I've got one in the old twill denim (before the broken twill became standard for jackets) so I'm guessing that one dates between '64 and '70 (from what I've gathered so far). My guess was about '68-'69. So do you have a date for when that style first rolled out? It was of course available in corduroy in the late '60s (but without the W on the pocket flaps).
Much appreciated.


Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2014 at 12:00pm
I'll try and post the pics of the BlueBell's Wrangler jackets info l have to illustrate, maybe tomorrow or over the weekend.


Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2014 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by topgearskin topgearskin wrote:


Anyone know when this style of jacket first appeared.
I'm struggling.
They were made in the early twill denim as well as the Wrandam zig zag.
The cord ones were definitely around in '68 (lots of people have said so and ive got a pic from early '69, clear as day).


I am with Dr on this one.  According to my research your Jacket with W in the flaps dates between 1973 - 78/79. I think it is a model 127MJ. Is it made in USA? Because from the 1960's Wrangler was made with a licence in Europe also (Belgium I think) and there was some differences in models and their release dates between US and European made jackets. 




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Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2014 at 7:11am
Topgearskin.
Hi, managed to get the pics of the 1970's Wrangler jackets page from my Boon vol4 magazine for you.







And here is the only photo I have of your style of jacket ('73-'76) -






Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2014 at 12:23pm
And here's a deadstock one on ebay showing the tag date as '74 -

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-WRANGLER-JACKET-DEADSTOCK-127-MJ-1970s-NOT-LEE-MONTANA-COWBOY-/121263503375?pt=Vintage_Men_s_Clothing&hash=item1c3bde380f


Posted By: topgearskin
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2014 at 3:05am
Thanks dr, great info


Posted By: rvlove
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:47am
Looking for info on this Wrangler 'No-Fault' denim vest with sherpa lining. Made in USA.

(Hope i've found right thread ) 

I understand they were wrinkle free / non iron garments (post washing) . Would that be correct?

I can't quite make out the coding to the tagging as it as faded somewhat. Something along the lines of VN200NY ?

No stamps to buttons . 

Thanks. Gil 

  



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Posted By: rvlove
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 10:06am
It looks like the tag features in Boon Vol4 mag (above) by Dr.Heech  - At bottom left....

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Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 11:00am
Will take some pics of that Boon jackets mag - not just for this thread, but for levi's and lee threads too.

Probably long overdue



Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2016 at 9:18pm
Here's some of what I've got -
 
Bluebell Wrangler jackets -
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: mr randal
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2016 at 9:46pm
Good job, doc. Nice to see all those Bluebells.

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Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2016 at 10:01pm
Originally posted by rvlove rvlove wrote:

It looks like the tag features in Boon Vol4 mag (above) by Dr.Heech  - At bottom left....
 
Yes I believe your tag dates it to 1980 onward (?)


Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 3:55am
Thank you for reviving the Blue Bell Thread!

I have this Japanese repro from early 2000's that is meant to be a 1947-48 model 11MJ. The difference to a 1949 Wrangler Blue Bell model is that the pleats are stitched with "levis like" rectangular boxes rather than those stiched balls that Wrangler has been using ever since.



Another difference is that this model does not have the "action back" elastics around the shoulder blades as the 1949 model does.



Additionally the tag says BlueBell's Wrangler rather than post-'49 "Wrangler" with the round BlueBell logo.



I have tried to make some research, but haven't been able to find anything conclusive whether this is a true historical repro or Japanese interpretation.



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Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 6:03am
^Your repro posted above seems accurate, there is an identical model in Paul T'S book ('cowboys to catwalks' p.65) and l have pic in that Boon magazine of another jacket, again identical.

I was never sure which type could be the earlier model, but maybe they switched from box pleats to dot-tacs, at a time when the matching 11MW pants lost the levi-esque arcs and got its' W stitching?

I've never really reasearched the brand's garment history in too much detail.

Nice jacket though!



Posted By: Majormajor
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 6:52am
Excellent stuff, Dr H. Those scans are very informative. Bigger ones would be even better!Smile
 
Nice to see all the MJZ models that we rarely, if ever, saw in the UK back in the 60's, when I was first buying Wrangler jackets.
 
I found this one, from around '72, a while ago... Note the asymmetrical stitched dots. which they all seemed to have to some degree.
 
 


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Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 11:06am
 111MJ-esque repro by RRL.  Pretty accurate plus pleats.






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Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 1:50pm

^^Thanks Major, I wont be scanning anything from that book again as the last time it broke the spine, but feel free to ask for any specific highlights - I may have a chance to take some clearer snaps.
 
Wasn't born until '68 so I can just remember wearing Wrangler jeans in late '75/early '76 over in the States Smile
 
My jacket, Page one of this thread, has uneven dot-tacs on the pleats.
 
Don't be shy to post more pics of your Wrangler stuff here.


Posted By: shredwin_206
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 2:14pm
Glad to see some updates in this thread. Really surprised how little love Wrangler gets compared to Levis or Lee.
-Edwin


Posted By: Majormajor
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2016 at 3:50am
Originally posted by Dr_Heech Dr_Heech wrote:

^^Thanks Major, I wont be scanning anything from that book again as the last time it broke the spine, but feel free to ask for any specific highlights - I may have a chance to take some clearer snaps.
 
Wasn't born until '68 so I can just remember wearing Wrangler jeans in '75 over in the States Smile
 
My jacket, Page one of this thread, has uneven dot-tacs on the pleats.
 
Don't be shy to post more pics of your Wrangler stuff here.
 
The jacket I bought in the 60's was a 24MJ with twin pockets, which was the only one that seemed to be available in the UK at that time. Contrary to what an earlier post says (unless I'm reading it wrongly), the thing was definitely made from selfedge single twill denim.
 
Sadly, I gave it away! Confused


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Posted By: Majormajor
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2016 at 4:37pm

Ok, here’s my take on Wrangler Jackets. Certainly overshadowed for many by LS and Lee, in fact the mere diversity of Jackets produced has always fascinated me.


Historically, I find it easiest to split them into the pre-handwarmers and the post-handwarmers. Wrangler were pretty radical in introducing the latter (in around 1950). Despite their largely “Western” marketing, they obviously could see that not ALL their customers rode horses, and that some folks might actually want pockets in their jacket. It took LS and Lee another 20 years to do that, and they both only achieved it by basically ruining the design of their respective jackets. So much kudos to Wrangler!

The thing unique to Wrangler (IMHO) is the vast array of different jackets they produced. I can only put this down to different factories producing their own detail differences, as some details (such as the unique stitched dots) seem to come and go at will.

The other unique feature of Wrangler was their use of the “action back” – far more labour intensive than the simple designs used by LS and Lee. Again, this morphed over the years, so again, well worthy of study.

And they also offered the choice of button or zip fastening on otherwise similar jackets.

Here are some 40’s jackets. Both stitched dots and bar tacks used on double pleats. The pocket height seems to vary from one jacket to another.
 

Then we have some 50’s jackets. Despite the appearance of bar tacks on the earlier jackets, here the stitched dots are back. Still variances in pocket height (the jacket on the left is a kid’s jacket – hence what appear to be huge pockets – it’s just the jacket is smaller).

 
However, some DID have bigger pockets – here’s a 1947 11MJ – low down, and bigger….
 

In around 1950, the first handwarmer pockets were introduced, with the loss of one top pocket(now smaller) and single, rather than double pleats.

And then, in around 1960, another big change – the pockets were now sewn into the chest seam – maybe to stop the haphazard pocket placing of previous years!  And we are back to two top pockets. It is worth noting the large arc shape of the handwarmer top seam.

By 1970, the pocket seam had moved closer to the pocket cutout, like the one I have.


And all along, you could choose button or zip fastening….
Then we have the “action back” – the earliest version had two sets of elastic sewn inside the jacket – one set beside the tops of the sleeves, and another set at midriff/true waist height. The outside featured a “bi-swing” pleat at each side of the back – thus enabling a tighter fit whilst allowing a lot of movement. Perfect for yer Cowboy! The outside of the midriff was rouched over the elastic to avoid sagging. A neat arrangement.

The next style (around 1947) kept the upper back arrangement, but the lower elastic was deleted, and replaced with two strap adjusters  on the outside at midriff level. This still achieved the same result. But was, I guess, a little cheaper to produce. Here’s the back of a 1947 jacket.

The next version kept the “bi-swing”/elastic arrangement on the shoulders (albeit a little lower), but the midriff adjusters  disappeared in favour of regular two button tabs on the waistband, and rear seams to slim down the overall profile. Here’s mine…

And at sometime, the elastic disappeared altogether. Now here is an interesting thing. The jacket I had in the 60’s (around 1967) had NO elastic or bi-swing, it just had regular waistband tabs. And it had NO pleats on the front.  And yet the jacket I have now, which dates from the early 70’s DOES have elastic/ bi-swing , and single pleats.


Again, I can only put this down  to regionalised production. Perhaps they realised that there were few cowboys in the UK, so why not save a few pennies and dispense with the action back and the pleats? I certainly never saw one back then, but they were plainly available in the US…..

I’m not gonna discuss the later jackets that ape type 3s and 101js – no point, really!

 

 



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Posted By: Blackadder
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2016 at 8:12am
I have this same Wrangler vintage repro. by Edwin.  I think it is described by Edwin as the 1st Prototype and the jacket has been modified and finalised by 1950.  


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2016 at 10:44am
Nice post major Thumbs Up


Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2016 at 11:40am
Thx Major. IRC the 1947 11MJ had the Box pleats and different neck tag plus no "action back" vents. So I think the jackt you have above is 1949 or after. Also the waist elastics only came in the 11MJZ (Zipper) jacket in the late 1950's.


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Posted By: Majormajor
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2016 at 12:35pm
Originally posted by Denimetc Denimetc wrote:

Thx Major. IRC the 1947 11MJ had the Box pleats and different neck tag plus no "action back" vents. So I think the jackt you have above is 1949 or after. Also the waist elastics only came in the 11MJZ (Zipper) jacket in the late 1950's.
 
Hi Detc
 
I think you are right on the "47". It is labelled as that in the reference book, but looking at the label, it is more likely early 50s.
 
Re the waist elastics, here's some pics of a button front with waist elastics:
 
 
I just think the things got made in so many different places that exact chronology is impossible. It beats me, anyway... Confused


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Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 12:25am
I think you're right Major. It is rather confusing indeed and Wrangler seems to be much less researched than Levis or Lee even.

There is a japanese site (blog?) that has tons of pictures of different vintage models and repros
http://wrangler.jugem.jp/


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Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 12:52am
Nice looking http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-WRANGLER-BLUE-BELL-11MJ-1956-DRY-DENIM-JACKET-SELVEDGE-lee-101-M-MEDIUM-/321950712863?_trkparms=aid%253D222007%2526algo%253DSIC.MBE%2526ao%253D1%2526asc%253D20150519202351%2526meid%253D82b13bd3a5bb4299a59ff79ef23351e4%2526pid%253D100408%2526rk%253D1%2526rkt%253D3%2526sd%253D221555771907&_trksid=p2056116.c100408.m2460&varId=510891562363" rel="nofollow - 11MJ for sale here

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Posted By: Majormajor
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 4:20am
Originally posted by Maynard Fried-San Maynard Fried-San wrote:

Nice looking http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-WRANGLER-BLUE-BELL-11MJ-1956-DRY-DENIM-JACKET-SELVEDGE-lee-101-M-MEDIUM-/321950712863?_trkparms=aid%253D222007%2526algo%253DSIC.MBE%2526ao%253D1%2526asc%253D20150519202351%2526meid%253D82b13bd3a5bb4299a59ff79ef23351e4%2526pid%253D100408%2526rk%253D1%2526rkt%253D3%2526sd%253D221555771907&_trksid=p2056116.c100408.m2460&varId=510891562363" rel="nofollow - 11MJ for sale here
 
Nice one. I've had stuff from him in the past - good seller.
 
There is also just one still for sale at http://www.aeroleatherclothing.com/product-detail.php?id=178" rel="nofollow - Aero  .


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Posted By: Majormajor
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 4:31am
24MJZ http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-WRANGLER-BLUE-BELL-24MJZ-1964-66-Zipper-DENIM-JACKET-VINTAGE-lee-101-S-M-L/221944404769?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122125356%26meid%3D82162a781c664a0896fcfb542364b5be%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D321950729625" rel="nofollow - HERE

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Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 6:55am
Originally posted by Denimetc Denimetc wrote:

... It is rather confusing indeed and Wrangler seems to be much less researched than Levis or Lee even.



Well, as we have a few of us here who are generally interested in the brand, why dont we go through it model by model(s)?




Posted By: Majormajor
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 8:04am
Originally posted by Dr_Heech Dr_Heech wrote:

Originally posted by Denimetc Denimetc wrote:

... It is rather confusing indeed and Wrangler seems to be much less researched than Levis or Lee even.



Well, as we have a few of us here who are generally interested in the brand, why dont we go through it model by model(s)?


 
Sounds a great idea. I'll help if I can...


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Posted By: jswindle2
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 8:06am
I hope this is the right place to post this question. If not,I'm sure I'll be told. I was wondering how to date the sherpa Wrangler coat. I inherited(passed down really)my dad's sherpa coat and I was wondering if I could date it. I asked him when he bought it but he doesn't remember. I know it's probably a 70's due to the fact that I'm 42 and I remember him wearing it when I was a kid. Any help would be great. Thanks in advanced.


Posted By: lamdog123
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 10:34am
real mccoy X wrangler 27MW lot s9017 












Posted By: Majormajor
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 11:44am
Originally posted by jswindle2 jswindle2 wrote:

I hope this is the right place to post this question. If not,I'm sure I'll be told. I was wondering how to date the sherpa Wrangler coat. I inherited(passed down really)my dad's sherpa coat and I was wondering if I could date it. I asked him when he bought it but he doesn't remember. I know it's probably a 70's due to the fact that I'm 42 and I remember him wearing it when I was a kid. Any help would be great. Thanks in advanced.
 
If you can, post some pics, including the label.


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Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 1:13pm
Originally posted by Majormajor Majormajor wrote:

Originally posted by Dr_Heech Dr_Heech wrote:

Originally posted by Denimetc Denimetc wrote:

... It is rather confusing indeed and Wrangler seems to be much less researched than Levis or Lee even.



Well, as we have a few of us here who are generally interested in the brand, why dont we go through it model by model(s)?



 
Sounds a great idea. I'll help if I can...



Thanks Major, we definately need you on board! Nice to see this thread getting some love at last. I can try and take some pics in a week or so, sorry l'm a wee bit busy atm


Posted By: jswindle2
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 1:54pm
I took pics but I can't figure out how to post  them. I can describe it however. The label is a rectangular, black and says" Wrangler Wrange Coat" in gold BLOCK letters. The label background appears to be a old wooden sign or something similar. The "fur" is a bone color instead of white and the sleeves are lined with a silk like material in a light gold hue. The tiny chest label above the left breast pocket is also printed in a block style lettering. The color is still a fairly deep blue since it's only been washed a handful of times. The stitching is also a gold like color. That's the best I can do right now. If I figure pic posting out, I will. Anymore questions let me know. I also acquired a Lee trucker style jacket today. If I drop a few pounds,it will fit like a glove.


Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2016 at 11:49pm
Originally posted by jswindle2 jswindle2 wrote:

I took pics but I can't figure out how to post  them.
 
 
Here ya go - http://www.denimbro.com/how-to-post-pictures_topic913.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.denimbro.com/how-to-post-pictures_topic913.html


Posted By: jswindle2
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 7:04am


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Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 7:06am


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Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 7:10am


Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 9:06am
That looks like broken twill denim. Wrangler started using broken twill in 1972 so your jacket is post '72.


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Posted By: Majormajor
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 9:57am
I'm thinking 80's.
The 70's ones I have seen had fewer pockets.
 
But you never know with Wrangler!Confused


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Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2016 at 9:23am
 
 


Posted By: Duke Mantee
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2016 at 9:39am
Snobbery though ignorance is my reason for not paying enough attention to Bluebell's 'Wrangler' - but my eyes are opening and I do like the fit of that shirt Doc.

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Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2016 at 10:36am
Thanks Duke but l think we are all guilty of that
Imo this is the best fitting denim shirt l've owned. Out of the' big 3' repro's available to me back then., l easily chose it over the Lvc sawtooth, and the Lee japan sawtooth for its' more trim cut.
In all honesty l could have sized down if it wasn't for the shoulders.


Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2016 at 11:52am
Great look doc! Love the 27MW

Unfortunately Wrangler discontinued the BlueBell collection in 2012. Last few seasons were all made in USA and became too expensive to sell for what was the general publics idea of Wrangler. I think in Japan some Blue Bell stuff is still being made.

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Posted By: Majormajor
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2016 at 12:04pm
http://edwin-ec.jp/disp/CSfDispListPage_001.jsp?brandCd=202&dispNo=001001007023&cateCd=001&rowPerPage=60" rel="nofollow - Here's the link to Edwin's Wrangler page.
 
Some nice jackets and a few jeans (the 52 11MWB's look worth having), but only one shirt, in a badly distressed version.
 
I just wish I knew how to buy them from the UK Disapprove


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Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2016 at 9:28am
That's a good looking shirt Doc.

The problem with the recent Blue Bell collection, that was discontinued in 2012, IMO was that Wrangler couldn't really decide weather it was to be a true heritage reproduction collection or just a modern workwear collection with a retro name. Anyway, there were some really well made reproductions of past models - especially jackets and shirts.

Here's a nice rigid 27MW for sale in a bigger size.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wrangler-Blue-Bell-27MW-Denim-Shirt-XXL-But-Fits-Like-XL-/262287810495?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wrangler-Blue-Bell-27MW-Denim-Shirt-XXL-But-Fits-Like-XL-/262287810495?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276


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Posted By: Blackadder
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2016 at 9:22am
Came across this while reading a friend's old magazines.
A repro by Edwin of pre-Wrangler Bluebell jacket.

http://s1242.photobucket.com/user/Mumba3/media/IMG_20160216_204134453_zpsinu8j53v.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">

http://s1242.photobucket.com/user/Mumba3/media/IMG_20160216_204224783_zps8bayifmm.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  


Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2016 at 5:21am
11MJ
bump for this thread that I love
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Posted By: Denimstoyevsky
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 8:36am
I know you're all prob sick of answering this, but how do I upload pictures? 

I have an amazing, well-worn Wrangler jacket that I'd like to share with everyone, but I can't figure out how to post the pictures of it. 


Posted By: Denimstoyevsky
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 8:44am
Ok, here we go. I had this one for years, took on a couple of tours and it never came off. Scroll down to see it side by side with another jacket that's relatively deadstock. 





Posted By: shredwin_206
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 1:02pm
More details on the jacket! It's gorgeous!


Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 1:54pm
IMO that's a 20MJ from around 1968-70


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Posted By: Denimstoyevsky
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2016 at 3:10pm
Hey, thanks for the feedback. What I know about it is that it's a left hand twill with selvege on the inside. The inside label is a white Wrangler, but it's identical to my friend's jacket, which is a Blue Bell. What's also interesting is it's identical to the newish one pictured above, except one has a white label over the breast pocket and the other one has a black label. 

Also, for the record, I like these left hand twill ones better than the broken twill 70s ones for two reasons: 1) the collar is smaller and 2) the pockets are deeper. I bought this jacket in a thrift store sometime around 2004. Put a stencil on the back at some point. All the patching I did myself as holes came along. 

I'd go with Denimetc on the model #, b/c there are no identifying tags on the inside. 




Posted By: caivs
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 9:29am
This jacket is beautiful.  I've been loving bright blue colored denim lately.  Are these still available for purchase somewhere?


Posted By: Denimstoyevsky
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2016 at 10:15am
I would check Etsy or Ebay. 


Posted By: UWANSUM
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 11:44am
I have a black wrangler jacket, I don't know if it's Bluebell and I don't know how old it is,
Pictures: (the main label tag got caught behind the hanger, that's why its not visible in this picture)


This is the main label, there's a care instruction tag next to it (ill add another picture after this one)


And here's the care instruction tag, it has two sides so I'll put two pictures of each side.



Is this a rare jacket? Is it original or a reproduction? or is it fake?


Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 12:10pm
Screams 1980's to me (?)


Posted By: UWANSUM
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 12:20pm
BTW I stitched the shoulder patch on myself, the jacket didn't come with it.


Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 12:58am
Originally posted by Dr_Heech Dr_Heech wrote:

Screams 1980's to me (?)


Indeed, IRC this style black labels came in to use in the late 70's by the "no fault denim" -text points to 80's


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Posted By: Petrogradus
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2017 at 4:22am
Hello from Russia, guys!
Question for those who have the catalog - to identify the year of the jacket Wrangler 24MJZ Blue Bell.
Thanks in advance

http://funkyimg.com/view/2o6Xq" rel="nofollow"> http://funkyimg.com/view/2o6Z9" rel="nofollow"> http://funkyimg.com/view/2o6Zr" rel="nofollow"> http://funkyimg.com/view/2o6ZE" rel="nofollow"> http://funkyimg.com/view/2o6ZP" rel="nofollow"> http://funkyimg.com/view/2o72g" rel="nofollow"> http://funkyimg.com/view/2o72p" rel="nofollow"> http://funkyimg.com/view/2o72A" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: Americana Mark
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2017 at 7:17pm
where can I buy repros of these?


Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 3:48am
^Wrangler did some Blue Bell repros few years back but 2012 was the last collection. To my knowledge there's some repros still made in Japan and sold in japanese sites. (Rakuten, Yahoo.jp)  

or ebay
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-WRANGLER-BLUE-BELL-24MJZ-1964-66-Zipper-DENIM-JACKET-VINTAGE-lee-101-S-M-L-/222074970869?var=&hash=item33b4b322f5:m:m4on2i7cim94r-G54pT6i8w" rel="nofollow - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-WRANGLER-BLUE-BELL-24MJZ-1964-66-Zipper-DENIM-JACKET-VINTAGE-lee-101-S-M-L-/222074970869?var=&hash=item33b4b322f5:m:m4on2i7cim94r-G54pT6i8w
 




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Posted By: Blackadder
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2017 at 8:21am
From Edwin Japan 
http://edwin-ec.jp/disp/CSfDispListPage_001.jsp?dispNo=001001016001001002&brandCd=202&cateCd=001" rel="nofollow - http://edwin-ec.jp/disp/CSfDispListPage_001.jsp?dispNo=001001016001001002&brandCd=202&cateCd=001

Real McCoy's also used to make Wrangler repros.  Those are no longer available online but you may find some old stock at Real McCoy's own shops (not their online shop) in Japan. 


Posted By: shredwin_206
Date Posted: 14 May 2017 at 8:49am
Let's revive this thread.
Pair of original BlueBell I own. Need to repair the knees before they blow out any further.
1960s? 1950s
-Edwin








Posted By: clchrislovato
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 9:57pm
I am new to blue bell wranglet jeans can someone help me authenticate these jeans I have googled the hell out of them but find nothing.


Posted By: clchrislovato
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2017 at 9:59pm
That is I can Find Nothing Like them to compare. No tag I could find like these.


Posted By: SouthOfHell
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2017 at 11:26am
I picked up this pair of Wranglers this week and I am having trouble dating them and ID'ing the model number.  They are pretty rough but the button fly is great and I love the look. Any information regarding when they were made, what the model is and what the value might be, would be awesome! Thanks guys! I am new here and I look forward to being a part of the community. I put the pictures on imagur:  http://imgur.com/a/Uj8mC" rel="nofollow - http://imgur.com/a/Uj8mC  if you need to see them here, let me know and I will try to figure it out! Thank you again...


Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2017 at 12:00pm
^Late 1940s/ early 1950s.

The label says 'Bluebell's Wrangler' (rather than just Wrangler) and the way the 'W' is written in the rope writing of the word is very early.
Just looking at the back shot of the pocket it says 1950's to me.
If they're a 'golden size' then worth a fair bit l'll wager.

Good score.


Posted By: SouthOfHell
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2017 at 12:16pm
Thanks! Does the button fly make them rarer? 

They are pretty rough, there is a loose seam on the rear rise and they were hemmed up at some point in their life.  They measure about 18.5" straight across the back of the waist laid flat and the inseam measures about 28.5". not the greatest size but it could be worse! 


Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2017 at 12:22pm
I think it does.
The condition is good for the age (when value comes to mind). The size is ok, although a little short for some.
Reckon a collector may buy them, or someone who is roughly a 36 x 29. Got to be worth a few hundred bucks?


Posted By: attackwithstones
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2017 at 12:34pm
I'd be into those. I'd have to belt them a bit, but that's my exact length!

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Posted By: SouthOfHell
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2017 at 12:38pm
Update! My buddy came through: Super rare 1952 W0111-89 is what I am told.  


Posted By: gcdrygoodsco
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2017 at 6:49am
Wrangler will be opening a store for the holidays in Greensboro, NC beginning November 30.  It will have their premium Cone White Oak cowboy cut jeans model called the 27406, sewn in Greensboro using denim from Greensboro, available for sale, as well as a variety of other new items, and hand-picked Wrangler vintage items for sale from a "Found Collection."  The store will be open in downtown Greensboro from November 30 to January 31.  This may be the first and only time that Cone denim jeans will be produced by Wrangler in Greensboro, so for those Wrangler afficionados this may be a good opportunity to come and visit the denim capital of the world before Cone is no longer producing here.  

http://www.greensboro.com/business/local_business/wrangler-to-open-cutting-edge-pop-up-store-in-downtown/article_699893ac-c074-51ab-896c-fbbfa83b952e.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.greensboro.com/business/local_business/wrangler-to-open-cutting-edge-pop-up-store-in-downtown/article_699893ac-c074-51ab-896c-fbbfa83b952e.html

Thought I would throw this out there, but also equally important to mention the store will have complementary Union Special chainstitch hemming (using a Wrangler USMC 63900)  for denim pants purchased in-store, and will also offer this service throughout the store's regular hours of operation.  

If you're interested in learning more about Wrangler premium selvage, http://https://www.wrangler.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/VFSearchDisplay?storeId=7401&catalogId=13652&langId=-1&beginIndex=0&searchSource=Q&sType=SimpleSearch&searchTerm=27406" rel="nofollow - check out their website here , and if you'd like to ascertain about securing a pair, PM me.

Sincerely,
Evan


Posted By: fender
Date Posted: 02 Mar 2018 at 1:32pm
A shame so many pics have disappeared from these threads.

Here's my unwashed (and staying that way)11MJ



and my late model zipper



Posted By: shredwin_206
Date Posted: 19 May 2018 at 6:11am
Who is currently making good Wrangler repros? I’ve heard Real McCpys makes some
Also they have Wrangler Japan?


Posted By: Blackadder
Date Posted: 20 May 2018 at 9:43am
Wrangler Japan are made by Edwin besides those made by Real McCoy's.  There is a Wrangler Archives line same as Lee.  


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2019 at 5:13am
Thread resurrection alert!

Thanks for some great posts here, particularly to the Heechster.

Does anyone know what the loosest repro Wrangler model is? I think the 13MWZ is looser than the 11MWZ but is the 10MW cut even looser?

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Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2019 at 7:53am
Cant help you with the repro model as l only owned one pair (11mwz) and they were slim, but fit ok. They were the Euro repro and supposed to be authentic.
I know with the originals that the 11mwz was slimmer than the 13mwz, which is/was a straight cut. Can't be of help with the 10mwz though.


Posted By: Duke
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 9:48am
I always though the 13MWZ and 11MWZ were the ‘same’ jeans but in different denim weights i.e. 13 and 11oz? I’m not sure how the different years of production varied the cut though.

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Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 1:41pm
You could be right then Duke? I'm no expert on this brand.


Posted By: Duke
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 2:11pm
You'll be more of an expert than me Doc

Leaving the MWZ or MWB (men's western zipper or buttons) aside, I think the numbers go along the lines of:

10 - cowboy (straight) cut with slight taper
11 - cowboy (straight) cut
12 - slim cut, tapered
13 - cowboy (straight) cut
77 - bootcut

But in no way am I claiming super accuracy here - just what I've picked up about Wrangler archival, some of which I felt was a bit sketchy

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Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 2:17pm
Thanks Duke, I’ve seen 11MW models with both 11oz and 12.5oz labels and I know the 10MW are 14oz so I think the model number may relate to cut rather than weight.

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Posted By: Duke
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 3:13pm
I know the original cowboy jeans were 11oz Maynard and then I thought the 13MWZ became the update in the new denim - but everything else I’ve gleaned (wrongly it seems ) has been through snippets here and there, and of course the ‘re-issues’ from Wrangler - The Archives.

I didn’t think the numbers, other than the 11 and 13 related in any way to denim weight with the other models.

Were those different weights you saw on vintage jeans?

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Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 3:46pm
Not vintage jeans Duke, only Japanese repros.

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Posted By: shredwin_206
Date Posted: 08 Apr 2019 at 4:52pm
Never had the 11MW, but I can tell you the 13MWZ is a damn good pair of jeans and for $25 they’re very durable and I’m tough on my jeans working construction.
A true classic straight cut with a higher rise


Posted By: Duke
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2019 at 4:58am
The kind of thing you wear properly Shredwin

Anyway https://secondsunrise.se/blogs/news/second-sunrise-archive-1960s-wrangler-blue-bell-11mjz-jeans" rel="nofollow - here’s a nice little blog about a pair of 60’s 13MWZ

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