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Topic: Am I Insane?
Posted By: likeacannon
Subject: Am I Insane?
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2020 at 11:08am
In my ill-begotten former days Providence has smiled upon me on occasions more numerous than I could ever hope to deserve. One of those moments included stumbling upon (what looked to be) an unworn MF 189md Liberty CPO, and it was Even in my size. Surely Providence was guiding my steps that day.

I brought it home and examined it for what must have been an hour, studying its form, wondering at its marvelous curiosities; The rainbow thread in the arm pit, the feel of the hairy Okinawa denim, the curved lines of the yoke. I thought surely I would wear this shirt for the rest of my life. 

And yet, time after time I do not reach for it in the morning, often going for my Appaloosa instead. It is a conundrum I think about often, why this “grail” item that I pined for endlessly does not get the attention it so obviously deserves. Perhaps I just haven’t broken it in, perhaps I find the sugar cane fabric to rough, or maybe the fit just isn’t quite right. Nevertheless, it hangs there, devoid of the use it created for. 

I take great joy in how well-made objects serve me and make my life more enjoyable than it has to be, and I imagine that you do too. After all, there are few simple pleasures more enjoyable than a good pair of jeans. I wish that I had more of an attachment to this shirt than I do, and realized last night that perhaps one of you will. 

I couldn’t imagine selling this, sacrificing it to the highest bidder in a mad online dash. I also realized that I would surely betray the very Providence that led me to this if I thrust it out into the world merely to fill my own coffers. Perhaps it wasn’t for me to find, but simply for me to pass on to someone that longs for such a magnificent piece of clothing but does not have the necessary means for a necessary means to acquire it in our grossly iniquitous economic state. 

Therefore I wanted to offer my size medium Liberty CPO to you, my denim brotherhood. As stated above, I will not accept any amount of cash for this, but rather I wonder if you have some special item yourself that isn’t getting the use it deserves. Maybe you have another great article of clothing that doesn’t get attention? Maybe it’s a nice watch, and it turns out you’re not a watch person? Perhaps you have some crazy old books just sitting on your bookshelf, or a bottle of liquor of a particular vintage, or some other accoutrement that could use a new home. I don’t know what valuable or sentimental items lie in your possession, bereft of use and longing for a new home.

DM me, if nothing else we can have a nice conversation and swap recipes for the best French Onion Soup or whatever. 








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Posted By: CSL
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2020 at 1:08pm
Cool idea!


Posted By: BlueTrain
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2020 at 1:35pm
Although I am not interesting in acquiring that shirt, which is still interesting nonetheless, I think I understand your feelings. I have acquired over the years a fair collection of Filson garments. Shirts, vests, jackets, shorts and pants. I do wear some of them frequently, at least in season. But others I seem to regard as being too good to wear. Same with the half-dozen or so Pendleton wool shirts that I have. The reality, though, is not so strange. I just have a lot of clothes. And they all "spark joy." Well, most of them anyway.


Posted By: likeacannon
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2020 at 2:32pm
Originally posted by BlueTrain BlueTrain wrote:

Although I am not interesting in acquiring that shirt, which is still interesting nonetheless, I think I understand your feelings. I have acquired over the years a fair collection of Filson garments. Shirts, vests, jackets, shorts and pants. I do wear some of them frequently, at least in season. But others I seem to regard as being too good to wear. Same with the half-dozen or so Pendleton wool shirts that I have. The reality, though, is not so strange. I just have a lot of clothes. And they all "spark joy." Well, most of them anyway.

Yeah I think that’s similar to how I feel, BlueTrain. I don’t own a lot of clothes, a pretty “curated” collection or whatever, so I want to get the most use and enjoyment out of what I own. I thought maybe someone would love this shirt more than I do, and that’s when I came up with this. 


Posted By: Broark
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2020 at 3:33pm
I relate to this a lot as well, I've bought many different jeans, shirts, jackets, etc. over the years that I've ended up feeling this exact way about.
At the time I thought they were grail items and was very excited to get them in my hands. Low and behold they end up not really doing it for me in one way or another. I've found that usually the biggest culprit is fit. If it doesn't feel right I just won't wear it. 
Or if it feels like I'm making some big statement wearing something then I probably just won't, I don't like to draw too much attention to myself.

Lately I've been parting with more stuff, mostly jeans that I'm not into much anymore or Iron Heart flannels that are far too hot for me to wear regularly. 
I just sold a Mister Freedom Veste Belleville (for not very much $) that I thought was going to be an amazing jacket and I probably only wore it 5 to 10 times as the fit was just not right.
I'm planning on going through the closet again and seeing what I should get rid of, maybe something will end up in this thread.

So looking back at all this stuff that I seemingly blew money on, it's made me realize that I should be a little more selective in the things I buy. I like simple, classic, well made stuff (that's why Roy, Ooe Yofukuten and Warehouse seem to hit the nail on the head for me over and over again) so I don't need to try some new unique thing out every time I think it strikes my fancy. 
Because more likely than not I just won't wear it enough.


Posted By: BlueTrain
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2020 at 3:52am
Fit is always critical, especially with boots and shoes. Overall, however, one solution is to buy second-hand things that are already broken in.
 
One incident comes to mind with things I've wanted for a long time and finally acquired. I had long wanted a pair of "packer boots," which can be described as lace-up cowboy boots. Pointed toe and high heel. Well, I finally got a pair and they were in my size and in fairly good shape, although I had the heels resoled. It turned out that they were just about the most uncomfortable pair of boots I'd ever worn and I'm in my 70s now, meaning I've gone through a lot of boots.
 
Serves me right!
 
I might add here that a significant change in one's life can result is quite a difference in what one wears everyday. After having an office job for most of my working life, I retired a couple of years ago. Suddenly I no longer wore "dress clothes," except for fairly rare occasions. Which is a Good Thing.


Posted By: likeacannon
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2020 at 1:14pm
Originally posted by Broark Broark wrote:

I relate to this a lot as well, I've bought many different jeans, shirts, jackets, etc. over the years that I've ended up feeling this exact way about.
At the time I thought they were grail items and was very excited to get them in my hands. Low and behold they end up not really doing it for me in one way or another. I've found that usually the biggest culprit is fit. If it doesn't feel right I just won't wear it. 
Or if it feels like I'm making some big statement wearing something then I probably just won't, I don't like to draw too much attention to myself.

Lately I've been parting with more stuff, mostly jeans that I'm not into much anymore or Iron Heart flannels that are far too hot for me to wear regularly. 
I just sold a Mister Freedom Veste Belleville (for not very much $) that I thought was going to be an amazing jacket and I probably only wore it 5 to 10 times as the fit was just not right.
I'm planning on going through the closet again and seeing what I should get rid of, maybe something will end up in this thread.

So looking back at all this stuff that I seemingly blew money on, it's made me realize that I should be a little more selective in the things I buy. I like simple, classic, well made stuff (that's why Roy, Ooe Yofukuten and Warehouse seem to hit the nail on the head for me over and over again) so I don't need to try some new unique thing out every time I think it strikes my fancy. 
Because more likely than not I just won't wear it enough.

Yeah I think I’ve been through something similar as I begin to trust fewer and fewer brands without the ability to try them on. I really tend to stick to MF, Freewheelers, Tokyo brands, Stevenson, Arpenteur, etc... 

I’ve blown more money than I care to admit on things that I tried to make work, but the fit just didn’t do it for me. I have short arms, broad shoulder, a thick neck and a long torso, so things are hard to come by for me. 


Posted By: likeacannon
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2020 at 1:18pm
Originally posted by BlueTrain BlueTrain wrote:


I might add here that a significant change in one's life can result is quite a difference in what one wears everyday. After having an office job for most of my working life, I retired a couple of years ago. Suddenly I no longer wore "dress clothes," except for fairly rare occasions. Which is a Good Thing.

I find something similar happening, just in reverse. I’m only in my late 30’s but find that my taste in clothes is changing to the more mature (far less t-shirts, more knitwear, less sneakers). Also, I work in coffee so most of my workwear is workwear that is okay getting stained and torn and whatnot, But I like dressing up more than I ever thought I would. Aging is weird. 


Posted By: smoothsailor
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 1:00pm
Defently not insane, its more sane. Hoarding "grail" gear is insane. 
I'm guilty for that too, its almost more fun to track an item down, than to have it. Specialy when the fit is not for you. I need to go thru my closet.
Your doing the right thing.


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Posted By: likeacannon
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2020 at 8:07pm
Originally posted by smoothsailor smoothsailor wrote:

Defently not insane, its more sane. Hoarding "grail" gear is insane. 
I'm guilty for that too, its almost more fun to track an item down, than to have it. Specialy when the fit is not for you. I need to go thru my closet.
Your doing the right thing.

Yeah I think you’re right. eBay has severely tampered the thrill of the hunt, but the times I find stuff out in the wild makes the time worth it. 

Maybe I should change the title of this thread to “Are we Insane? (The grail trade thread)”? LOL


Posted By: shredwin_206
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 4:37am
As a guitar player I am all too familiar with this.
We call this G.A.S. (Gear acquisition syndrome)
The constant hunt for the next guitar or piece of gear. The hunt is addicting and like a drug.
What will be the next rare thing I can finally track down and acquire? You find something then 30-60 days later it’s being flipped for the next thing.
I am guilty of this with denim and boots too. Trying to break the habit but smartphones don’t help.
We are a society that has been brainwashed to never be happy with what we have and always WANT something more.


Posted By: BlueTrain
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 4:48am
There are other factors at play, too. In my case, I find that the more I use something, the less I feel a desire to acquire something else instead. It depends on what we're talking about of course and not everyone will react the same way. I guess it's a matter of using versus collecting. 

Another factor is availability or ease of replacement. Some of us crave rare things. That's our collecting side at work. On the other hand, you never know when something will become unavailable, even the more mundane everyday objects (like toilet paper). 


Posted By: 58panheadfan
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2020 at 6:58am
There was a time when I was more pleased when the postman appears as the content of a delivered parcel. Thenceforce, I knew something was not quit right in my head... That's why I have greatly reduced my collection of clothes in the last few years (there were really many that went through my hands at times). For now, I am happy every time wearing some of it and no longer when I buy something ...

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Posted By: bartlebyyphonics
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2020 at 1:28am
good thread. right attitude to take: to give objects the same care with which they have been obtained...
I'd need an xl for those who have a spare one of those...

as to desire: there is indeed a long debate as to whether desire is a relation to 'lack'... 
(that object-of-desire which I do not have, so compulsively chase in circles {secretly enjoying my failure to find that object - which is always structurally absent, as posters have stated, once it is found/materialised the psychic charge leaves it and lodges in some other absence} ... certainly online shopping [and consumption as a system of objects] taps into this endless loop quite effectively) 

... or whether desire is productive; it makes us do things, makes the world turn ... the desire to give subjects and objects time and care is certainly a productive action...

edit:
to add to this, Marcel Mauss' esteemed book on gift-giving (first published mid 1920s) and the relations of obligation and solidarity they produce (from an anthropological point of view...)

https://libcom.org/files/Mauss%20-%20The%20Gift.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://libcom.org/files/Mauss%20-%20The%20Gift.pdf

[not much of a gift, but perhaps an object for the context]


Posted By: BlueTrain
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2020 at 2:39am
There's a quote from a so-so B-movie about a prospector/trapper up in Alaska made about 30 years ago. Talking about looking for gold, he said it's really the looking for it that's the thing. The he said, "On second thought, it's the finding of it." 


Posted By: attackwithstones
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2020 at 8:02pm
I am going to fall in line and put up my size small Liberty CPO for trade. I bought this new from Pants Shop Avenue when it came out. I didn't wear it as much as I wanted because I should have gotten a medium. It has TONS of life left and deserves someone who would wear it regularly. I am looking for a few things...

John Lofgren M-43 Service Boots Size 7
Buzz Rickson M-43 Service Boots Size 7
Mister Freedom 7161's Size 34 or 36
Mister Freedom Denim Riders Dungarees Size 34 or 36
Mister Freedom 10th Anniversary Indigo Canvas Chinos Size 34 or 36
Mister Freedom 10th Anniversary Indigo Canvas CPO Size Large
Mister Freedom Signal Vest Size Large

What else ya got from MF for trade? 

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Posted By: Mctoad
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2020 at 11:10pm
I feel the same about mine too sometimes. I find I just wear it to work to wear it more but not feeling like it's super amazing anymore.
I love my Okinawa patrol shirt much more. In fact I own two. One that is very a very slim fit and mint not worn in and then another looser one that is so beautifully worn in. I feel like they are two different shirts.

The CPO is a close second though yet still barely wear it.


Posted By: Noodle
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2020 at 7:30am
For the most part its a consumerism fueld envy.
Its about the hunt, the "getting" it, thats so exciting.

I have a few items, that i dont wear often, but then again, i wear my clothes in rotation, and depending the weather. I had winters, where ive basically just sported my deck jacket, since it was too rainy for a nice coat, or at least i felt like that.

I also keep my warddrobe basic. I get an expensive shirt, eg a blue colored one, i dont really need another in blue.
Same with boots and so on.
Only exception i make is with Jeans... they are meant to wear out, so have 4 pairs of the same jeans i keep wearing in rotation.


Posted By: likeacannon
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2020 at 11:49am
Thanks attackwithstones! I didn’t think anyone else would join in when I originally posted, but after our conversation I think this is a great idea. Maybe I should change the name of the thread to “Are We Insane?” Big smile


Posted By: BlueTrain
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2020 at 12:53pm
Someone here mentioned taste and how a person's tastes mature. Well, I think that some point one's tastes become fixed and cease to evolve--at least to some extent. We might realize one day that we're wearing the same style clothes that we wore 30 or 40 years ago, more or less. Of course, some things really haven't changed much in that time, like jeans, although there have been variations in styles. But a few basic styles are still around. Some styling variations are fairly subtle, though, but I haven't seen anyone wearing bell bottoms lately. Were they still in style 30 or 40 years ago?


Posted By: Iron Horse
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2020 at 6:10pm
^^
"You can always tell what was the best year of your father's life, because they seem to just freeze that clothing style and just ride it out to the end, don't they? And it's not like they don't continue shopping, it's just they somehow manage to find new old clothes. Every father is like this fashion time capsule, you know what I mean. It's like they should be on a pedestal, with someone next to 'em going 'This was 1965'."
-Jerry Seinfeld


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Posted By: Mr. Q
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2020 at 1:26pm
Originally posted by Iron Horse Iron Horse wrote:

^^
"You can always tell what was the best year of your father's life, because they seem to just freeze that clothing style and just ride it out to the end, don't they? And it's not like they don't continue shopping, it's just they somehow manage to find new old clothes. Every father is like this fashion time capsule, you know what I mean. It's like they should be on a pedestal, with someone next to 'em going 'This was 1965'."
-Jerry Seinfeld

Good one! LOL



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