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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Subject: Tech Fabrics
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 1:51pm
Living t'uther side o'pennines i see more than my fair share of wet weather, over the years on my quest to stay dry out in the elements i have had a fair few tech fabrics, im not talking about looking good here im talking about staying dry.

With manufactures all too eager to boast about the waterproof qualities of their newly rehashed materiel and more ® andthan you can shake a stick at, it can all get a bit confusing...?

So as we drag Denimbro kicking and screaming into the latter end of the 20th century, i will ask? be it coated or membrane, from Mackintosh to Gore to Ventile lets hear your experiences of these wonder materials?



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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 1:54pm
Having given away/sold/trashed many waterproofs over the years im down to just two, a 20something year old http://www.paramo-clothing.com/en-gb/performancetechnology/fabrics/" rel="nofollow - Paramo smock in their own directional/moisture management fabric and this a 3-ply gore pro-shell from Mountain Equipment also more than a decade old, a long way away from that crunchy cardboard-cutout gore of the 80,s and still a long way off the sub-100gram articulated hydroshell pop-overs we see today.



Posted By: The Jerry
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 2:23pm
As someone growing up in a rainy german town I've had my fair share of rain jackets. Apart from tried and tested classics such as Barbour I always added a Nikwax soak to any of my cotton or nylon jackets. As a matter of fact I soaked my ww2 foul weather jacket in it and that thing was 110% rain proof afterwards.



Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 2:29pm
I was thinking of starting a similar thread, as I now live in a climate with rainy winters, I need to get a "serious" rain jacket.

By "serious" I mean actually waterproof, with no functional concessions to old-timey charm (waxed canvas/tin cloth).  I've been looking at rubberized cotton from Stutterheim:

http://stutterheim.com/usa/shop/raincoats/stockholm-dark-brown" rel="nofollow - https://stutterheim.com/usa/shop/raincoats/stockholm-dark-brown



And Gore-Tex from Nanamica, who seems to make some of the only non-hideous Gore-Tex garments available:



I'm curious about Ventile, but skeptical that it's really water "proof".

Any other suggestions welcome.



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Posted By: shredwin_206
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 4:43pm
Hollows it might be a little more technical than what you're after. But I love the jackets from Outdoor Research in Seattle. I tend to just wear my Filson Double Logger but breathability is absolue S***! haha
-Edwin








Posted By: A_See
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 5:02pm
Check out http://missionworkshop.com/products/apparel/jacket/" rel="nofollow - Mission Workshop . They're an SF based company. They are cycling focused and most their clothing is tailored a bit trimmer than a lot of the outdoor specific companies, which I like. I'm a fan of the Schoeller C_Change fabric they use in their outerwear.


Posted By: mr randal
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 5:57pm
Footwear-wise I've recently switched from my usual rubber Boggs to some goretex Keens. I tried for years to incorporate more heritagey options, but was worn down by their weight, generaly stiff uppers and inflexible soles.

I have to say the goretex hikers have made my work life a lot more pleasant, though I do now have a tendency to stand in low shrubs or braken if I sense I'm getting a denim perusal.


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 10:24pm
My RMC M-65 has also had the Nikwax treatment, it doesn't make it waterproof by any stretch but it does make it a lot more wearable in the wet.

Your lucky hollows, it rains all year round here, often sideways!
I would avoid ruberised cotton it doesn't breathe, you will sweat like crazy and get cold even from a brisk stroll.


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2016 at 1:20am
My only objection to modern waterproof jackets is they are often too damn good, being a vertical surface the rain water runs straight down to your thighs and being a denim nut i always go hiking in jeans meaning i spent a lot of time with cold, clinging wet thighs. I can't bear to buy gore trousers so being the inventive type im working on a flexible circular guttering system (like a moat) that secures around the hem of the jacket with a drainpipe down each leg allowing the water to flow freely away keeping ones jeans perfectly dry....  Who wants to invest in my kickstarter?


Posted By: Flash
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2016 at 1:22am
Sounds like a sure thing ..... maybe give Dragons Den a shout ?


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2016 at 1:55am
Can't you add a facility to collect and recycle the rain, perhaps even divert it into your drinking water supply whilst on the move?

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Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2016 at 9:07am
http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2010/nov/25/outdoor-gear-bad-science-ugly" rel="nofollow - https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2010/nov/25/outdoor-gear-bad-science-ugly

A bit old but quite funny.

Mr R, have you considered Danner for your working footwear?  I have a pair of Mountain Light IIs that are unquestionably the most comfortable footwear I own, and they're waterproof (goretex) under the leather.  The apex of function and design for hiking, in my opinion.


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Posted By: devilish
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2016 at 5:01pm
+1 on the Danner's. Get them in the right size and they are as good as it gets. I almost didn't bring them with me when I moved home to the UK. That would have been up there with the most stupid decisions of my life. Served me all through last winter in all kinds of shitty weather. I got mine on deep discount when J Crew decided they couldn't keep that particular band wagon going but would happily pay full price. In fact if I ever have spare cash again I will buy the all black 'Bond' version in a heartbeat.


Posted By: mr randal
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2016 at 5:42pm
Thanks H & D- I've never looked at Danner, but will likely give that model a try when the rains start based on your recommendations.


Posted By: Blood&Thunder
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2016 at 6:12pm
Arc'teryx makes the best shells I have ever had the privilege to wear.  If you want to go higher end but have the option of some longer models you can also check out their Veilance line.

Elka also makes a solid rain jacket and they also do some good collaborations with Norse Projects.






Posted By: badseed
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2016 at 10:47pm
On the subject of Ventile,it is really very good.

I have a Ventile smock from west-winds and it is a daily use jacket,6 days a week while i ride from home to shop and then back again.

The smock i wear is about 7 years old and has had 2 TX-10 treatments in its life. 

I gave it a go with Otter wax once but it killed the breathability completely.

Unlike the modern fabrics it eventually "wets" out and like a canvas it becomes watertight.

Hard to explain,but it also looks pretty rad too and with time has developed as march charms as worn in jeans.

Cool story.

Not my clip but this guy agrees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7mMYjrsqtM


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Posted By: massivebonanza
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 12:25am
Good thread Soul. Heritage workwear inspired clothing is all well and good, but it's largely fashion over function.

To each it's place, but if people had the materials and textile technology available 'then' that are available now then of course denim overalls, leather motorcycle jackets, duck or waxed canvas outwear would likely come second fiddle to more practical, purpose designed protective clothing. That's progress.

That said, I'm not a fan of goretex, certainly in boots (it will fail!). Interesting to note that Meindl for instance offer essentially the same boot both with or without - see for example the http://www.meindl.co.uk/products/burma-pro-mfs" rel="nofollow - Burma and http://www.meindl.co.uk/products/borneo-2-mfs" rel="nofollow - Borneo .

I've had good success with eVent, used in my Haglofs jacket among other brands and clothing. More breathable than goretex and as water repellant.

Ventile incidentally - and as far as I know with some experience - works far better double layered which prevents transference (once your 20 minutes is up!)


Posted By: Denimetc
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 1:07am
There is an Italian company called Ten C that is producing interesting technical stuff

http://www.ten-c.it/collection/" rel="nofollow - http://www.ten-c.it/collection/

I saw their stuff at Denimheads Store in Prague for the first time couple of weeks ago. Fabric feels like it is something organic however it's knitted nylon-polyester that is waterproof. And the best thing is - it fades bros!



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Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 1:20am
I have the Iron Heart M65, which I believe is made with Ventile and is lined too (in sateen cotton I think). It was warm and waterproof throughout last winter (mild, admittedly) in London.

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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 1:31am
I like it D-ect, certainly a lot more subtley tasteful than your average.

Gore is unbeatable for its desired purpose of wicking away moisture from exertion in the wet, fell running, climbing ect
If its worn to stand at the bus stop in the rain or walking the dog around the park its just uncomfortably clammy and pointless.

I would like to see the Ventile smock badseed?


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 1:59am
There is something about a thumb loop that gives me a warm comforting sense of security that comes from no other item of clothing, am i the only one?

I remember... years ago seeing for the first time a Berghaus gore membrane sewn between a fleece inner and a herringbone wool outer on a jacket by Clarke & Teller (a short lived affair, they both worked at the bank and branched out into the clothing industry) now it seems a lot of country clothing (tweed) that i see at Brocklehursts also incorperates a membrane for those well dressed gents working out in the field, even tweed flat caps.

This is another crossover option from White's Mountaineering.

Stick another 37 pockets on there and you could easily mistake it for Freewheelers Wink


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 3:57am
^ Clarke & Teller
Bravo, sadly just too late for the Edinburgh fringe one-liner award!

EDIT: branched out too!



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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 5:23am
Tragically maynard its all true. There was two guys (around the mid 00,s) who worked in the same bank as... you've guessed it, They started up a clothing label and put a collection together, smart shirts, outerwear ect. It lasted 2 seasons and they went back to their day jobs.
How they managed to swing Berghaus as a backer i do not know?
I will post an image of the jacket "Clerk & Teller Craic" when im back on a computer from this century.

Edit- Here we go, Clerk & Teller Berghaus, It also came in Pewter gray herringbone.



Posted By: Mr. Q
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 3:28pm
Anything with 3 layers is usually pretty good. Nanamica, Arcteryx Veilance, White Mountaineering. All great stuff but usually pretty expensive. 

For a bit less, check out Snow Peak, Isaora, Minotaur - they often have some great looking jackets at much better prices.

Also, I have a BR M-51 made from a Ventile-ish material. Suprisingly it does work well in stormy conditions! Even though the outer layer was drenched, I stayed dry, but with all the water absorbed, the jacket does start to feel really heavy.


Posted By: illumin8em
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2016 at 12:37pm
Originally posted by hollows hollows wrote:

I was thinking of starting a similar thread, as I now live in a climate with rainy winters, I need to get a "serious" rain jacket.

By "serious" I mean actually waterproof, with no functional concessions to old-timey charm (waxed canvas/tin cloth).  I've been looking at rubberized cotton from Stutterheim:


I'm curious about Ventile, but skeptical that it's really water "proof".

Any other suggestions welcome.




I'm likely going to be in the same boat and have been wondering the same. I've always left it up to the people who live and work in the weather conditions regularly that I'm looking to shield myself from, and just followed thier advice. I've never been cold or wet in winter thanks to snowboarding. Years ago, following the bushcraft community, I looked into Ventile by Hilltrek, specifically their smocks. I needed it to translate to kayak tours but just didn't feel confident in the waterproof merit of it at the time. Now I'm mostly troubled with what works well for bicycle commuting.

check these review links, you have something in common with the fella in the first link

http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/blog/2013/07/three-days-on-pikes-peak-in-the-rain-ventile-cotton-analog/" rel="nofollow - http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/three-days-on-pikes-peak-in-the-rain-ventile-cotton-analog/

http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/blog/2014/01/liathach-cotton-analogy-ventileextreme-smock/" rel="nofollow - http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/blog/liathach-cotton-analogy-ventileextreme-smock/

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130537" rel="nofollow - http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130537


Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2016 at 5:21pm
Ha, the Hunq in common definitely helps me envision it.

I think I may be convinced as to the effectiveness of ventile now, but I already have a Nanamica cruiser on the way.  I managed to find one in (hopefully) my size on eBay for a reasonable deal, so hopefully that works out.  I'll report back soon.


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Posted By: dwarffruit
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 8:24pm
Great thread! I'll put in a good word for Outlier here.

I wish it got cold enough in California to justify either of these:

http://shop.outlier.nyc/shop/retail/liberated-wool-dufflecoat.html" rel="nofollow - Duffle Coat

http://shop.outlier.nyc/shop/retail/supermarine-soft-core-bomber.html" rel="nofollow - Bomber Jacket


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 1:02am
That bomber in olive looks great in that material^

For the repair of man made fabrics i can vouch for http://www.raymears.com/Bushcraft_Product/655-Tear-Aid-Original-Repair-Patch-Kit-Type-A/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=products&gclid=CObrqKawjs8CFUu3GwodwFAHuQ" rel="nofollow - Tear-Aid Type-A i used to repair puncture holes and tears with something akin to a bicycle puncture repair kit but this stuff is easy to apply, inconspicuous and works an absolute charm in the wet.



Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 4:28am
This might not count as a tech fabric, but it looks great to me. NC calls it halftex, apparently a spun nylon that looks like cotton. They are using it on a quite a few products this year.

http://item.rakuten.co.jp/speedway-shop/80330030001-olive/" rel="nofollow - http://item.rakuten.co.jp/speedway-shop/80330030001-olive/


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2016 at 12:38am
Having recently seen Fjallraven's and Haglofs new range of ' http://scandinavianoutdoor.fi/vaatteet/takit/keb-eco-shell-jacket/" rel="nofollow - Eco ' waterproofs, i wondered what made them so environmentally friendly? (In this case they do actually use recycled polyester with zero fluorocarbons) knowing that Fjallraven outsource their labour to Vietnam, Korea and China i found myself on their wince inducing ' http://www.fjallraven.co.uk/responsibility" rel="nofollow - responsibility ' page. No mention of outsourcing around here?

Eventually i ventured onto their "Workplace Safety" page which proudly highlights the Swedish village Nikkaluokta still no mention of Asia anywhere...

I did find these two articles on 'ethical hiking gear' that are well worth a read.
http://www.scandinavian-hiking.com/2011/09/made-in-wherever-ethical-hiking-gear.html" rel="nofollow - Made in wherever Pt1
Part2 is quite interesting.
http://www.scandinavian-hiking.com/2011/10/made-in-wherever-ethics-of-outsourcing.html" rel="nofollow - Made in wherever Pt2
 


Posted By: massivebonanza
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2016 at 5:51am
Very interesting articles, thanks mate.

It's a shame that the Patagonia Corporate Responsibility page linked in Pt2 is no longer available, however an interesting post in their blog concerning ethics in wool production to some extent echoes a point concerning outsourcing to third world countries, that being whether it is better to change from within or to turn and walk away. Anyway, here's the blog entry - http://www.patagonia.com/blog/2015/08/petas-wool-video/" rel="nofollow - patagonia blog petas-wool-video

I'm not watching the video though as I wouldn't be able to stomach it, and there's no need to see it to understand what's going on.



edit - one lingering thought from those articles you posted brings to mind comments occasionally made here where members maintain their support for a particular country of manufacture as satisfying their personal social responsibility perspective - quite oblivious to a possible alternative reality concerning the source of the materials that went into the final 'domestic' country of origin sew job.


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 1:24am
Thread needs a bump

I stumbled across these chaps from West Yorkshire making made to measure or off the peg shirts in Merino or Corduroy & Moleskin treated what they are calling 'PlasmaDry'

The blurb is all a bit too much for me but the shirts look incredibly well made.

http://mcnairshirts.com/the-story-of-a-merino-wool-shirt/" rel="nofollow - http://mcnairshirts.com/the-story-of-a-merino-wool-shirt/






Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 2:36am
Cheers Double 0, funnily enough I've been (mildly) interested in this sort of thing for a while and would like to see more natural fibres in use rather than some of the hideous and environmentally damaging tech designs (admittedly there's lots of good/ethical tech stuff too). I particularly like the corduroy workshirt.

I have loads of merino jumpers and when I used to ski, I would always wear a Smedley turtleneck as a base layer (I picked loads up in the early 90s from the Lea Mills factory shop, now available online).

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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2017 at 2:59am
Me too, ive got a pair of 400g Merino Woolpower mits that are well over a decade old, they have become a little misshapen but i have'nt washed them or cared for them in the slightest. I also wear a 200g Woolpower turtleneck base layer and long-johns to get me through the winter. The terry-loop underside is fantastic at capturing warm air, the Merino is soft against the skin and doesn't hold stink like man made fibre.

Also great for tent wear when its cold and you need to venture out for a wee in the night.


Posted By: aho
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2017 at 5:30pm
Been wearing my Level 7 Extreme Cold Weather parka made by Wild Things (military surplus) the past few days and can definitely recommend it. It comes in various prints depending on which branch of military you're buying (USMC = Marpat or Coyote, Army = Multicam, Airforce = ABU, Civilian = grey); and being Level 7, is rated to -15 degrees farenheit. Made with Primaloft and EPIC fabric, its high tech, super light and non-restrictive, and of course super warm, like wearing a sleeping bag. 

http://www.wildthingsgear.com/collections/cold-weather-insulation/products/high-loft-jacket-1?variant=1265178983

You can buy it for about 1/3 that price by buying military surplus though, which is an excellent deal. Sizing is huge, I started with a medium, but ended up taking an extra small for a proper fit. Figured, why mess with WWII repros and restrictive layers that can't keep me warm under 30 degrees when I could wear modern military tech, stay warm and still be comfortable? Berry compliant to boot!


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 12:28pm
To save me from certain death on the dark mornings i bought a Sugoi reflective jacket from Infinite Cycles in Utah, it was old stock reduced from $109 to $25.

Its amazing tech, they've screen printed minute crushed glass beads onto the waterproof surface.

6' away it looks like any old blue waterproof jacket but close up it looks like this.

This is the black version.


Shine a car headlight at it and...waoh!
 

...its crazy shit, i probably wont look too dope (from a Denimbro perspective) but at least i'll be alive... fingers crossed.

Damn HMRC charged me £24.13 on a $25 jacket, Flipping scandalous!



Posted By: Daniel
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2018 at 11:41am
Post your rain jacket!

And recommend good, affordable rainshells as well, please. I’m in the market for one.


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2018 at 11:57am
Have a look into http://www.paramo-clothing.com/en-gb/performancetechnology/" rel="nofollow - Paramo , i'm a big fan of their directional fabrics and their ethics






Posted By: Daniel
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2018 at 1:11pm
I like what I’m seeing there


Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2018 at 2:22pm
I like the look of their poncho a lot, I could definitely see uses for that hiking/biking in rainy Oregon.

I'm usually VERY dubious of these "benevolent capitalism" claims from clothing manufacturers but this is an impressive backstory and mission. Thanks for the link!



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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 1:37am
Originally posted by hollows hollows wrote:

I like the look of their poncho a lot, I could definitely see uses for that hiking/biking in rainy Oregon.

I'm usually VERY dubious of these "benevolent capitalism" claims from clothing manufacturers but this is an impressive backstory and mission. Thanks for the link!



Me too, It's impressive that 80% of their garments are manufactured through the program and not just a token 10% for the sake of grabbing headlines.

I've had a Paramo pullover smock for the last 25 years, its not full length just cut long at the back, i've beat the crap out of it and its still in great shape.
Its a reversible fabric (the pit-zip pulls flip over, horizontal chest pocket both inside and out, the care labels are in the bicep pocket and the 'Paramo' label is on both sides) supersoft like velvet on one side and a slight sheen to the showerproof 'outer'.
After 25 years i'm still at a loss as to what occasion one would wear the cozy softness to the elements rather than next to the skin Ermm


Posted By: Daniel
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2018 at 8:56am
25 years, wow...


Posted By: Daniel
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 8:57am
More rain jackets, Bros. Doesn’t have to be fancy, I just want to know what people are using!


Posted By: killer b
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 9:25am
I've been wearing a Nigel Cabourn / Karrimor jacket, it seems to have been a massive failure as a collab and can be picked up super cheap on eBay (Where I got it) but it's been a great waterproof so far...


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 10:53am
If your not looking for fancy, you wont go far wrong with Decathlon's own label Quechua, its on par with Rab, North Face, Low Alpine, Montane, Berghaus ect...

They tend to stand back and let the larger companies throw money at advertising campaigns, sponsorship, construction/material R&D and then they just rip it off and retail it for 1/3rd of the price...allegedly

Trust me a £40 Decathalon jacket is every bit as good as a £100 North Face, friends of mine run mountain ultras and swear by it.


Posted By: Daniel
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 2:20pm
Thanks for sharing, Double 0! It’s much appreciated.


Posted By: indigo_eagle
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 2:29pm
I think, in Germany Quecha outdoor products are sold mostly by Globetrotter a chain of outfitter stores, that has been operating for many, many years and was originally founded by people passionate about it.
With the fashion of wearing outdoor jackets the business got very big in the last years and was sold to private equity fund. However, with online competition apparently they had some problems.
Quecha might be their private lable brand. Not sure, though.


Posted By: Duke
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 3:07pm
Read all about it here. Basically pretty much any modern ‘waterproof’ will keep you dry(ish)

Some aren’t very ‘breathable’ and some aren’t particularly robust but usually the big failures are at seams/joints and a zips ... oh, and the big hole at the top where your head goes through

Also there’s a good chance in heavy rain that a waterproof jacket will soak your trousers unless they’re waterproof too


Posted By: Daniel
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 7:10pm
What do you use Duke?


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 10:28pm
Originally posted by Duke Duke wrote:

Read all about it here.

Also there’s a good chance in heavy rain that a waterproof jacket will soak your trousers unless they’re waterproof too


You can read all about this^ on page1, including a possible solution Wink

It all depends what you need it for Daniel, if that's doing your day to day biz while its raining a Decathlon special will be just fine, even if the seams leak the odd drop of water, it wont kill you or the opposite end of the spectrum...you could go full on 'kitboy' LOL


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 10:57pm
Originally posted by indigo_eagle indigo_eagle wrote:

I think, in Germany Quecha outdoor products are sold mostly by Globetrotter a chain of outfitter stores, that has been operating for many, many years and was originally founded by people passionate about it.
With the fashion of wearing outdoor jackets the business got very big in the last years and was sold to private equity fund. However, with online competition apparently they had some problems.
Quecha might be their private lable brand. Not sure, though.


Quecha and Quechua might be different brands? Decathlon (i think its a French company) have lots of own labels, BTwin, Tribord, Kipsta, Artengo, Kalenji, Olaian ect... all dealing with different aspects

From the trusty interwebz

It is worth noting that by relying on its own-brand range, Decathlon has managed to keep its prices at the lower end of the spectrum, while developing different pricing segments. The group, which was created in 1976, designs, produces and distributes all of its products independently. Initially, they were all labelled 'Decathlon' but, in 1997, the sport retailer, now worth an annual revenue of €10 billion, began to diversify by introducing the Quechua and Tribord lines, which have become household names in their own right.


Posted By: indigo_eagle
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2018 at 11:55pm
I checked again.
I had seen Quechua (I misspelled before) often and somehow thought, that it was a Globetrotter brand.

But as you're saying, that is not correct.
Globetrotter has two own brands, but they're called meru and Kaikkiall.
They're also not selling quechua.

Decathlon also has a number of stores in Germany I saw. So, that's why the brand is quite visible.



Posted By: Duke
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2018 at 1:34am
Originally posted by Double 0 Soul Double 0 Soul wrote:

Originally posted by Duke Duke wrote:

Read all about it here.

Also there’s a good chance in heavy rain that a waterproof jacket will soak your trousers unless they’re waterproof too


You can read all about this^ on page1, including a possible solution Wink

It all depends what you need it for Daniel, if that's doing your day to day biz while its raining a Decathlon special will be just fine, even if the seams leak the odd drop of water, it wont kill you or the opposite end of the spectrum...you could go full on 'kitboy' LOL





Whoops! Hadn’t gone that far back Neal - I’m only new here

Anyway the table reinforces your point about how waterproof you need to be


Posted By: Duke
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2018 at 5:12am
Originally posted by Daniel Daniel wrote:

What do you use Duke?


These days almost exclusively Arcteryx. Their trousers are a superb fit on me and supremely tough, and their synthetic insulation fits and performs as well as any other I’ve tried.

Their Gore-tex jackets are very expensive but I got a but I’ve never paid more than 60% of ticket price and they do perform.

I only wear 3L gore because it’s the best at preventing ‘wetting out’ on areas under contact from pack straps and the like. I’m not sure many folk think about this despite these types of materials are water resistant DEPENDING on the pressure on the face of the fabric (I had an absolute disaster wearing Rab eVent carrying a heavy pack - completely soaked through)


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 7:38am
My mrs has recently bought a 650 fill down mid-layer from Alpkit, she wanted something lightweight but warm to throw on in the chilly summer evenings.



They're a nicely 'tailored' jacket with a good ratio between chest, waist and hips, rather than the usual sack o'potatoes down jacket, also it has long (articulated) arms which can often be an issue.


Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 7:41am
Get the cuffs shortened?   


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 7:47am
Her and dude could team up, the bits he cuts off she can stick on.. everyone's a winner Thumbs Up


Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 7:52am
Forget Take Hart peeps, it's a melting pot of creativity right here.


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 7:57am
What do you think? size 8


...or 10



Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 8:10am
Maybe l'm putting my head on the chopping block, but the 8 imo.


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 8:20am
Originally posted by Dr_Heech Dr_Heech wrote:

Maybe l'm putting my head on the chopping block, but the 8 imo.


I agree Chaz, it does look the best but the zip is starting to pull itself out of shape here and there where its a bit snug and she only has a t-shirt underneath. She only has a tee under the 10 but there is room for a cardi. The sleeves are usually the decider but they both fit perfectly.

We only live 10mins from Alpkit but after 20mins in the shop she couldn't decide so took both sizes home to try on with another layer....still not sure?

A size 9 would be perfect Confused


Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 8:35am
Well stop stalling and get her to don the cardi and the sz 10, cos the pic of the sz 10 with only a t shirt makes it look like it's on back to front imo    


Posted By: shredwin_206
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 8:39am
Size 8 looks better but go for 10 to have room to layer underneath with a sweater if needed


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 8:47am
10.

10 char.

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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 8:51am
She's in the shower Chaz, she'll not wear a jacket now or 'she'll have to have another shower' apparently? ...don't ask me, i haven't showered for days...

Only other photo i have is the 10 from the side, the 8 does look a bit snug around the lower back




Posted By: Duke
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 9:09am
She’s a definite 10 ... so’s the jacket

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Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 9:39am
You old charmer


Posted By: Duke
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 9:40am


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I don't swim. I can swim. I just don't have much cause to do so in the normal run of things.


Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 10:14am
Originally posted by Double 0 Soul Double 0 Soul wrote:

She's in the shower Chaz, she'll not wear a jacket now or 'she'll have to have another shower' apparently? ...don't ask me, i haven't showered for days...

Only other photo i have is the 10 from the side, the 8 does look a bit snug around the lower back
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Sorry, had to pause on the fashion tips as l had to take the boy back over to his mum's.
Agree with David Niven on the size 10 though. Best to go with the option of layering possibilities.


Posted By: Duke
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 12:32pm
That’s the two of you used the word ‘old’ just a bit too free and easy

David Niven tho’ - well y’know I think that’s no so bad

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I don't swim. I can swim. I just don't have much cause to do so in the normal run of things.


Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 8:56pm
It was David Niven to whom l was referring to, in respect to being an old charmer.
Sorry bud.
Post now edited for pseudo-ageist comment.




Posted By: Duke
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2019 at 11:13pm
And you should know better that you can’t (really) offend me and apologies aren’t necessary

Anyway old is probably more accurate than charming

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I don't swim. I can swim. I just don't have much cause to do so in the normal run of things.


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 3:43am
The 10 is a keeper, she's sent the 8 back.

Thanks for the response lads, it was as intelligable as she could have hoped for from this forum.

I had a tootle around on a Sonder bike at Alpkit, nice bit of kit although rediculously over priced.


Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2019 at 11:24am
Originally posted by Double 0 Soul Double 0 Soul wrote:

The 10 is a keeper, she's sent the 8 back.

Thanks for the response lads, it was as intelligable as she could have hoped for from this forum.


We aim to please Neal, we aim to please.


Posted By: Double 0 Soul
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 1:29am
This Rab is a dope piece of history


Its an early prototype which Rab himself made for a customer out of her old sleeping bag back in 1982 in the attic of his house on Hunter House Road just around the corner from my house. Up until recently her husband had been using it to do the gardening. Image from Jojo's Sheffield.


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Posted By: Duke
Date Posted: 19 Jun 2019 at 1:53am
Nice!

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