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Posted By: skyrunner
Subject: sneakers
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2014 at 1:26pm

thread for discussing vintage and repro sneakers or trainers as we call them in the u.k.  i.e converse, pf flyers, pro keds, spring court whatever your favorite is.....


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Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2014 at 4:45pm
Thanks for starting this thread. ^^Those look good.

Coming across a couple of blog posts by Patrick Segui at Riveted a while back peaked my interest in vintage and USN inspired Deck Shoes.





http://segui-riveted.blogspot.jp/2010/03/ww2-us-navy-canvas-deck-shoes.html" rel="nofollow - http://segui-riveted.blogspot.jp/2010/03/ww2-us-navy-canvas-deck-shoes.html

http://segui-riveted.blogspot.jp/2011/05/us-navy-canvas-deck-shoespart2.html" rel="nofollow - http://segui-riveted.blogspot.jp/2011/05/us-navy-canvas-deck-shoespart2.html

Ended up picking up a pair of the made in Japan Wakouwa from Anatomica Japan last year and have been very happy with them.



They've held up very well, my only regret is I wish that I would have picked up the high top version.



They are ridiculously expensive, but they are one of the only Japanese manufactures who make a size 12, so I am overjoyed to purchase them. It's so enjoyable to actually be able to walk into a shoe store and walk out with a pair of shoes.

I'm thinking of picking up a pair of the brown hi tops this year.

http://parking35.com/items-cat/wakouwa/" rel="nofollow - http://parking35.com/items-cat/wakouwa/

However, I recently came across another post from Patrick Segui at Riveted about his custom Converse that made me rethink that. The "Riveted Chucks":



http://segui-riveted.blogspot.jp/2014/03/introducing-riveted-chucks.html" rel="nofollow - http://segui-riveted.blogspot.jp/2014/03/introducing-riveted-chucks.html

I was unaware that Converse had such a program, but have been playing around with it the last few days and am tempted to order up a pair and give them a try as I can't find any military style gym training shoes in my size. RMC make a nice pair, but only in black and only in non-sasquatch sizes.



Screen capture of the custom chucks I'm thinking about:




Posted By: Bob Dale
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2014 at 7:02pm
I am fond of canvas sneakers -- I only own converse, but they're my favorite.

I'd like some older vintage ones, just never had the money when i've seen them out in the wild.

they're probably too branded for most 'bro's tastes -- but I'm hoping to pick up a pair of Nike All Court's for summer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-60s-deadstock-1965-dated-canvas-army-plimsolls-sneakers-trainers-shoes-/390817336683?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item5afe874d6b" rel="nofollow - saw these on the bay recently, but I think they're too big for me...




Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 4:36pm
I wouldn't pay $400 but these are beauts.
http://page15.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t373209691#enlargeimg" rel="nofollow -
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Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 5:36pm
That last custom chuck in the natural canvas is really nice.  If they had a Made in USA (or any verifiably non-sweatshop factory) option, I would probably have a big collection of chucks, even at 2 or 3x normal pricing.

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Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 5:39pm
In related news, looks like the formerly Japan made Wakouwa deck shoes will soon be produced overseas. Anatomica Tokyo still has some of the Japan made in stock, but that is the end of the line.


Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 1:49am
I picked up a pair of the Nigel Cabourn PT plimsols some time back. I've still not got round to wearing them but they're pretty nice (IMO). Other than that i'm a big fan of the natural converse first string 1970's re-issues.




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Posted By: Sardine
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 5:09am
http://s255.photobucket.com/user/mrappraisit/media/full.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
A decent looking Romanian built option from Stussy, and the only branding is on the tongue. I'm not sure what the quality is like, but the price is low. 

http://www.s-double.com/shop/plimsole-sneaker


Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 1:07pm
Mr. Black, the Nigel Cabourns look very nice.

I tried on a pair of these recently, but was disappointed to find they were made somewhere far from here.



These NC x Converses also look very nice.




Posted By: The Jerry
Date Posted: 07 May 2014 at 2:18pm
Big fan of my Mill Reef Gallops.Compared to Chucks these hold up really well and fit my foot better.
Converse are always borderline tight in the toe area.



Posted By: the bandanna almanac
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 7:19am
Basically my perfect sneaker. Hender Scheme


Posted By: attackwithstones
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 8:15am


Ishmael,

Do the Wakouwa Deck shoes have a high arch/ a lot of arch support?  Or are they a flatter footbed?

I read somewhere that they had arch support and I tend to not like it, so I am hoping they are flatter so I can hurry up and order a pair of the MADE IN JAPAN before they sell out. 


The new HILLSIDE Sneakers look great.  I love the Army Green pair, but I'd probably switch out the laces to black. 

The Real McCoys sneakers are perfect.  I need to stop drooling and order  a pair of them. 




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Posted By: Shorty Long
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 12:07pm
those jonsin' for some US-made sneakers not from NB...here's the only option i've been able to uncover after much digging. anyone else tempted by these?

slap some thick white laces on these bad boys and you might have something...MIGHT. it looks like they're made for postal carriers so i'm guess they'd be pretty comfortable...i'm getting a mid-80s reebok vibe from them though.



Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 19 May 2014 at 3:56pm
AWS, I think they tried to design the last to mimic Alden's modified, which is known for its arch support and very popular here in Japan. But, there really is only so much arch support you can give in a shoe/sole like this. The shoe hugs your arch a bit, but I would say that it is still a flat footbed. I can't really imagine it being a problem for you.....

My recommendation would be the hi tops in either white or brown. Both are very nice.


Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 22 May 2014 at 3:16pm
Looks like Anatomica Tokyo is having an event to sell off all their japan made Wakouwa deck shoes starting this Saturday.

Interesting post, in pretty bad English translation, from their creator here (scroll down):

http://k-teramoto.blog.openers.jp/2014/05/20/91/" rel="nofollow - http://k-teramoto.blog.openers.jp/2014/05/20/91/

The last line is a prayer for the future....

"In the hope that this sneaker will not flow to the trend of the times. . . . . ."


Posted By: Snake
Date Posted: 22 May 2014 at 7:35pm
Any one have experience with Shoe Like Pottery?


Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 22 May 2014 at 7:56pm
Forum member Drew did a review of Shoes Like Pottery on his (very good) blog:http://www.diyvat.com/shoes-like-pottery-review/

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Posted By: Snake
Date Posted: 22 May 2014 at 8:30pm
Thanks Hollows.


Posted By: devilish
Date Posted: 24 May 2014 at 4:07pm
Just used the discount code to get a pair of The Hillside's sneakers from Hickorees. Went with the Italian camo version because I'm a sucker for DPM.


Posted By: proulxsie
Date Posted: 28 May 2014 at 1:11pm
not sure if this has been posted already but: 3sixteen x converse x indigo dye:

http://www.3sixteen.com/blogs/news/9566913-in-production-converse-for-3sixteen" rel="nofollow - http://www.3sixteen.com/blogs/news/9566913-in-production-converse-for-3sixteen



and it's unclear if these next ones are from the above or from visivm but found this pic online and loved it:




I know some dudes will be bummed cause they're not made in USA, but I am really feeling these!!


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Posted By: killer b
Date Posted: 28 May 2014 at 1:20pm
I thought these looked the coolest...




Posted By: The Jerry
Date Posted: 28 May 2014 at 1:51pm
Originally posted by proulxsie proulxsie wrote:

I know some dudes will be bummed cause they're not made in USA, but I am really feeling these!!


Really really digging these but converse are just too damn narrow for my feet.


Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 28 May 2014 at 2:09pm
Anyone who is interested in these, I'd highly recommend getting a cheap pre-reduced indigo vat and dunking your own.  It's easy, fun, and much much cheaper than what shoe companies are charging.

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Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 28 May 2014 at 2:38pm
There's a poster on Sufu called mfarmtown, (hangs out mainly on the Left Field thread) who does a lot of indigo dyeing of various objects and often footwear, including Chucks, Vans, JPs, etc. I think she's based in Cali and will take orders for your own stuff that you send to her. Maybe worth giving her a shout if you don't want to do it yourself.

Here's a further example of indigo dyeing - this time using PF Flyers - by Hemi at the Wakefield Hotel in Wellington, NZ:
http://www.wakefieldhotel.co.nz/journal/tags/pf-flyers" rel="nofollow - Smurf Shoes


Posted By: proulxsie
Date Posted: 28 May 2014 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by hollows hollows wrote:

Anyone who is interested in these, I'd highly recommend getting a cheap pre-reduced indigo vat and dunking your own.  It's easy, fun, and much much cheaper than what shoe companies are charging.

http://www.dharmatrading.com/dyes/pre-reduced-indigo-crystals.html" rel="nofollow - Like this?

If so, thanks for the tip! I've been thinking of having a dyeing party at the cabin when it's done. :)


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Posted By: proulxsie
Date Posted: 28 May 2014 at 2:47pm
Also this is turning into some kind of weird indigo dye thread now (sorry for sending it off course!) but does anyone know how to produce something of this kind of color:



Is this the color that the first dip will turn into after it's that greeny-yellow? Or do I need to use a light blue rit instead? 


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Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 28 May 2014 at 3:52pm
You could produce that with indigo dye.  There are probably techniques to do that shade "correctly", but an easy way would be to dip it after the vat is getting weak.  The stuff you dye first will be darkest, and as the vat gets depleted and oxidized there will be less indigo available to bond to the fibers, so the shade will get lighter as you go.

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Posted By: swallowtail
Date Posted: 28 May 2014 at 5:59pm
hollows good tip for that shade, when i did a pair of white cotton shorts i got that exact shade, the vat was weak and a few days had past


Posted By: Bob Dale
Date Posted: 28 May 2014 at 6:59pm
proulxsie - if those are in fact visvim and I am remembering correctly they are goodyear welted and have a vibram  converse like sole which can be replaced as needed -- making them essentially a boot.

the price is quite prohibitive however



Posted By: eleks
Date Posted: 29 May 2014 at 5:57am
those are indeed visvim, ("Indigo Camping Trailer" Skagway Hi) but not goodyear welted, their only sneaker what's goodyear welted is the Foley as I know. that Skagway looks stunning though, indigo dyed denim upper, calf lining, but price is high as sky


Posted By: The Jerry
Date Posted: 29 May 2014 at 6:57am
Here are two pics of my Mill Reef sneakers I got from Speedway a while ago.
I think I have had these for almost two years and worn them quite often.
The quality on these is amazing and unlike my Vans and older Converse these are not falling apart at them seams after a few months.
Another thing I like about these apart from their old school look is how comfy these are.In Vans or Chucks the toe area always seems to be a bit too small tight but these are pretty roomy.




Posted By: Shorty Long
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2014 at 10:20am
new balance x cone mills sneakers...


http://www.endclothing.com/catalog/product/view/id/206246/s/new-balance-x-cone-mills-m1300cd-made-in-the-usa/category/5/" rel="nofollow - http://www.endclothing.com/catalog/product/view/id/206246/s/new-balance-x-cone-mills-m1300cd-made-in-the-usa/category/5/


Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 2:07pm
http://instagram.com/p/qUujvDAKIr/" rel="nofollow - http://instagram.com/p/qUujvDAKIr/

USA! USA! USA!

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Posted By: Shorty Long
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 5:56pm
Originally posted by hollows hollows wrote:

http://instagram.com/p/qUujvDAKIr/" rel="nofollow - http://instagram.com/p/qUujvDAKIr/

USA! USA! USA!

:)


Da Fuuuuuuuuuu??!?!!?


Posted By: setterman
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 7:15pm
Looking forward to seeing some more pictures of these.

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Posted By: Bob Dale
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 7:34pm
f i n a l l y.


Posted By: devilish
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 7:35pm
It was only a matter of time really. Once these companies could see they could charge a premium for domestically made sneakers it was always going to happen. It's only for the money and it'll only last as long as the demand does. I'm sure Converse will produce some at some point and charge even more than they do for the First Strings. I suppose it could be a good thing but the cynic in me is not holding his breath that this is anything other than an exercise in cashing in.


Posted By: Bob Dale
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 8:16pm
agreed to a certain extent -- I think the price will hold steady, and hopefully since the parent company (New Balance) appears to be committed to domestic production these will be an offering for at least a few years.

As customers, our dollar is our vote -- we create the demand.

I feel like if they are available at more than 4 shops (converse first string, ...) and not limited to small numbers, and not marketed solely to sneaker heads as a quick 'flavor of the month' type thing -- they stand a decent chance.

Granted they aren't made in USA, and they are somewhat of a sneakerhead shoe, but the recent re-release by Adidas of the Stan Smith has been BIG. I don't follow sneakers at all really and have seen them all over.  We were in Chicago, and didn't really do any shopping, just happened to pass a few shops all of them had them offered and this was across various demographics and in different parts of town.

I am hoping the initial pf flyer offerins will be succesful enough they can continue.

I was speaking with their rep  inspiration!  I think they've made major commitments -- there is a lot of licensing involved.  I think they had to work out their processes too in order to produce the sneakers domestically.  You no longer are able to vulcanize rubber for the purpose of sneakers in the US - so they had to adapt in order to make the shoes here. 


Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 10:15pm
I feel that cynicism big time devilish, I think it's just important for us to stay sharp.  

If they think that shifting maybe 5% of their line to US mfg is going to create "brand loyalty" or make me trust them, they've got another thing coming.  

But I also won't let that push me into boycotting, because let's be honest; if we avoid every product that is made well for the wrong reasons, we'd have depressingly few options left.  

Ethical manufacturing is important to me, and I will always be watching.  If they treat it like a trend, they will NOT have gained a loyal customer, but I will still have gained shoes made by US workers, and that means I'm the one that took advantage of them, not the other way around.


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Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2014 at 12:14am
"as ever, 'jobs for American workers' should be decoded as 'profit for American companies'".

Just happen to come across this line in a book I'm reading. Seemed apt.


Posted By: Shorty Long
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 1:30pm
have any details been released about this?

Originally posted by hollows hollows wrote:

http://instagram.com/p/qUujvDAKIr/" rel="nofollow - http://instagram.com/p/qUujvDAKIr/

USA! USA! USA!

:)
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Posted By: hoggreaser
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 2:04pm
What's the big deal about made in USA anyway? The labour is just as likely to be immigrant, just like your food industry.

Not that that is a bad thing, certainly regarding food anyway, but just as with your made in USA LVC ..




Posted By: Happy Hooligan
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 2:44pm
Originally posted by hoggreaser hoggreaser wrote:

What's the big deal about made in USA anyway? The labour is just as likely to be immigrant, just like your food industry.

Not that that is a bad thing, certainly regarding food anyway, but just as with your made in USA LVC ..


I think it has everything to do with it when it's an iconic brand that was originally made in the USA.   

Just because you're an immigrant doesn't mean you're not American.   98% of all American's are immigrants from one time or another.

Why do you think Converse made in the USA command the prices they do?   It's because they were made in the USA.

It's the same with electronics.  I prefer a Sony made in Japan than one in China.   But my Ming Vase, I'll choose China every time.




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Posted By: hoggreaser
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 2:50pm
...and Japan relies on foreign labour as much as any other country.

As observed elsewhere, jeans made in Japan might equally, and most likely, be made by Chinese hand. Same so with electronics I'll wager.

Country of origin meaning anything of substance is an increasing myth. I'm pretty sure that many who buy into 'made in USA' prefer not to think that it might have been actually made by a Mexican labourer.




Posted By: rayw44
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 2:59pm
Originally posted by Happy Hooligan Happy Hooligan wrote:


I think it has everything to do with it when it's an iconic brand that was originally made in the USA.

Just because you're an immigrant doesn't mean you're not American. 98% of all American's are immigrants from one time or another.

Why do you think Converse made in the USA command the prices they do? It's because they were made in the USA.

It's the same with electronics. I prefer a Sony made in Japan than one in China. But my Ming Vase, I'll choose China every time.


 
I just want to point out that 100% of Americans, Native Americans included, are immigrants. whether you came by boat, plane, or by foot over a land bridge, your ancestors didn't start out here.


Posted By: hoggreaser
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:03pm
To take my example to an extreme, what's the difference between buying something made in USA by a Mexican, versus buying something made in Mexico by a Mexican?

Quality or workmanship is not necessarily any different in either product by virtue of where it's assembled, which seems little more than a patriotic notion that your own country is best.


Posted By: devilish
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:12pm
The one thing it can mean is the carbon footprint of the item is smaller. It can also mean that the economy local to the point of manufacture benefits from it being there. Then there is the hope that the working conditions are properly monitored and that the workers are paid somewhere near a living wage.

You are right in that it doesn't really matter where the workers or their family was originally from but they now choose to be here and if bringing back the manufacture of goods to this country provides them with a living then it's a good thing all round.

Of course not all these conditions are always taken care of but there is a better chance of that being the case than in somewhere like Bangladesh, Vietnam or for the most part China.


Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by rayw44 rayw44 wrote:

Originally posted by Happy Hooligan Happy Hooligan wrote:


I think it has everything to do with it when it's an iconic brand that was originally made in the USA.

Just because you're an immigrant doesn't mean you're not American. 98% of all American's are immigrants from one time or another.

Why do you think Converse made in the USA command the prices they do? It's because they were made in the USA.

It's the same with electronics. I prefer a Sony made in Japan than one in China. But my Ming Vase, I'll choose China every time.


 
I just want to point out that 100% of Americans, Native Americans included, are immigrants. whether you came by boat, plane, or by foot over a land bridge, your ancestors didn't start out here.


Taking things a little extreme there. By that logic, only Africans in Africa are not immigrants. Articulated that way the immigrant concept basically has no meaning. What's the point.


Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by devilish devilish wrote:

The one thing it can mean is the carbon footprint of the item is smaller.


Not necessarily. A product's carbon footprint is highly independent of whether it was made in the same country as its consumer resides.


Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:20pm
Originally posted by hoggreaser hoggreaser wrote:

...and Japan relies on foreign labour as much as any other country.



Show me the data.


Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:27pm
Wages and working conditions.


Posted By: devilish
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:27pm
Originally posted by Ishmael Ishmael wrote:

Originally posted by devilish devilish wrote:

The one thing it can mean is the carbon footprint of the item is smaller.


Not necessarily. A product's carbon footprint is highly independent of whether it was made in the same country as its consumer resides.


That's why I wrote CAN and not WILL or DOES. There is a distinction there.


Posted By: rayw44
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by Ishmael Ishmael wrote:



Taking things a little extreme there. By that logic, only Africans in Africa are not immigrants. Articulated that way the immigrant concept basically has no meaning. What's the point.
 
That is the point. The immigrant concept should have no meaning.
 
It's idealistic, sure, but if we could all realize we are essentially all the same despite differences we perceive amongst each other we could avoid the incessant problems thathave plagued the US (and others) for so long. It's never going to happen, but it's something to keep in mind.
 
 


Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:32pm
^^ "the one thing" threw me off. Sounded more absolute that the can that followed.


Posted By: Happy Hooligan
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:34pm
Originally posted by Ishmael Ishmael wrote:

Originally posted by rayw44 rayw44 wrote:

Originally posted by Happy Hooligan Happy Hooligan wrote:


I think it has everything to do with it when it's an iconic brand that was originally made in the USA.

Just because you're an immigrant doesn't mean you're not American. 98% of all American's are immigrants from one time or another.

Why do you think Converse made in the USA command the prices they do? It's because they were made in the USA.

It's the same with electronics. I prefer a Sony made in Japan than one in China. But my Ming Vase, I'll choose China every time.


 
I just want to point out that 100% of Americans, Native Americans included, are immigrants. whether you came by boat, plane, or by foot over a land bridge, your ancestors didn't start out here.


Taking things a little extreme there. By that logic, only Africans in Africa are not immigrants. Articulated that way the immigrant concept basically has no meaning. What's the point.

I was just giving the "been here for thousands of years" pass.   Sure everyone was immigrant at one time.   

And going by the African logic, since all humans originally came from Africa, then only in Africa could someone be not be called an immigrant.  


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Posted By: Shorty Long
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:36pm
I prefer Made in USA because: heritage, environment, better chance of better working conditions for laborers, more positive impact on domestic economy, and...to be trendy


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:40pm
^^ On a continental scale that argument is true but once the context is reduced to a national level, how can you tell whether African people are originally from the territory that is now demarcated as the country in which they officially reside? Can anthropologists and evolutionary scientists actually identify where in Africa human civilization originated?


Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:42pm
Originally posted by rayw44 rayw44 wrote:

Originally posted by Ishmael Ishmael wrote:



Taking things a little extreme there. By that logic, only Africans in Africa are not immigrants. Articulated that way the immigrant concept basically has no meaning. What's the point.
 
That is the point. The immigrant concept should have no meaning.
 
It's idealistic, sure, but if we could all realize we are essentially all the same despite differences we perceive amongst each other we could avoid the incessant problems thathave plagued the US (and others) for so long. It's never going to happen, but it's something to keep in mind.
 
 


Yes. Indeed. It's too bad we didn't know from the get go that so-called Native Americans are immigrants. We could have stole their land with far greater efficiency if we had been armed earlier with that categorization.

Yes, I'm giving you a hard time. But truth is we can't lump everybody into the same immigrant category. Not least because it trivializes the different knowledges of place gained over 40,000 vs. 400 years of inhabitance. I'd be happy to see all nation-states eradicated. But ties to place (rather than the imaginary community of the nation-state) are important.


Posted By: Happy Hooligan
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 3:43pm
so far it's in East Africa.  Where the fossils have been found.

Now getting back to PF Flyers….


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Posted By: rotten03
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 4:23pm
The point isn't who actually made the product it's the standard of quality enforced in that country or factory. Even though a (insert random ethnicity) made my Samurai jeans I know that Nogami has established a standard for his product. A standard that may not be executed if it was manufactured elsewhere.


Posted By: HerbRockwell
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 5:58pm
For mine I think I automatically feel better if a product is made in Japan , USA , Australia , Italy etc ... It's just an emotional response , it encompasses a lot of the points people have brought up , work conditions , quality , environment ? I'm sure things can be made just as well in china or Macau , but when I see a tag "made in China" I'm less interested in wearing it .


Posted By: the bandanna almanac
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 7:22pm
Originally posted by Ishmael Ishmael wrote:

Originally posted by hoggreaser hoggreaser wrote:

...and Japan relies on foreign labour as much as any other country.



Show me the data.

Probably not as much as other countries but definitely they have a presence. 


Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 7:44pm
Well I would find it difficult to argue that they don't have a presence, you and I being sufficient to counter that. But "as much as other countries" seems like vast overstatement to me.


Posted By: the bandanna almanac
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 8:08pm
I like to buy stuff that allows me to either meet the people who actually made it or has enough transparency to give details on how, who, what made it. Heritage, patriotism, etc it is just marketing crap to make you believe you are buying something more than just a pair of jeans (for example).  


Posted By: hollows
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 8:16pm
I think the whole issue of "foreign" labor is moot anyway.  No one here is advocating that US/Japan made goods are better because they're made by American/Japanese hands.  Ethnicity doesn't enter into it, it's all the other factors that people have listed.

For me the quality of life of the workers is most important.  Slave labor and lethal working conditions are very real. 


Posted By: Qinhan
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 8:19pm
^ Yes, and I'd add environmental considerations to that list. 


Posted By: rnrswitch
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 10:35pm
We shouldn't be cynical about companies bringing production back to the states. It just means that some of our actions, voices, and ethical choices have started to be recognized. Obviously they (corporations) are doing it to appease us too-wealthy-for-our-own-good folks, but in the end some people might get a living wage.

Also usa rules and all other countries drool!

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Posted By: Qinhan
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2014 at 11:23pm
Ha!  I like your last sentence.
Seriously though, I know that in many cases companies are choosing to move their manufacturing from countries like China (particularly the Eastern coastal provinces) back to the US due to increasing costs associated with wage rises, transport and other factors such as the relative strength of the currency.  For these businesses, consumer preference for ethically and/or domestically manufactured goods doesn't really feature as a major consideration.  It's more a reflection of an erosion in the cost advantages of manufacturing overseas.     
 
The Economist did an interesting article on this a while back which I might be able to dig up...


Posted By: hoggreaser
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2014 at 1:53am
I think the wages and conditions argument is an interesting topic; surely that is governed more largely by the attitudes of those in management of a corporation or company, and perhaps less about employment law or legislation particular to that country.

We have sweatshops here in the UK, just as we have employers willing to take on labour, cash in hand at significantly under statutory minimum wage, just as we have illegal immigrant labour too. Legislation doesn't protect these individuals as the whole operation by nature is avoiding the legislation.

That said, larger, recognised companies probably don't want the negative association on their doorstep and in any event have far more formal employment practice. Not that they necessarily pay any better.

For me, country of origin - Made in USA, Made in UK, whatever - is far more significant when it's associated more with small, cottage industry or owner operated firms than the large conglomerates and mass produced factory items.

I do recognise a significance though in the concept of an item that originates somewhere historically being made available again from that origin. But it's perhaps more of a 'romantic' notion for want of a better word than anything else..

Also - sorry, the term immigrant can be emotive in a unwelcome negative fashion, not my intention, and not meant in that respect.


Posted By: the bandanna almanac
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2014 at 3:24pm

The rather famous company Spingle Move in Hiroshima collaborated with a hanpu (sail cloth) brand Saikobo in the same prefecture. I think these look pretty good. Leather trim, kiln baked sole, leather laces. That tag though...


Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2014 at 3:36pm
Very nice. Size 12 please.


Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 6:03am
Does anyone know of a resource for dating old chuck taylors- or indeed is anyone here a bit of an authority on those things?

Thanks in anticipation


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Posted By: kennybania
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 8:03am
This might help - some very hastily taken photos from the Lightning Textbook Of Vintage Items issue.

https://flic.kr/p/p6eBsm" rel="nofollow"> https://flic.kr/p/p6eBsm" rel="nofollow - Untitled by https://www.flickr.com/people/44003607@N06/" rel="nofollow - abcdefghijklost , on Flickr

https://flic.kr/p/pkFRD9" rel="nofollow"> https://flic.kr/p/pkFRD9" rel="nofollow - Untitled by https://www.flickr.com/people/44003607@N06/" rel="nofollow - abcdefghijklost , on Flickr


Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 8:05am
Perfect. The ones I have match the top ones on the 2nd page. Same colour & everything.

Any hint at value?


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Posted By: iamcam
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 8:25am
good question - have had a similar investigation some time back when i came across a big filled stockroom with vintage "made in USA" chucks in an odd sportswear-shop in italy.
the thing is that value differs a lot and depends on so many parameters like size, condition, box, colour and most important finding a buyer who worships or needs exactly the ones you have as there's still enough old stock popping up in the states with every yard sale etc.
generally try a search via ebay and this'll give at least some direction Smile


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Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 8:38am
I've had a look on the bay and as you say- prices vary from a few $10's to well over a $1000.

Myself and a friend both picked up a pair probably about 17 years ago- identical to the old gold ones in the 2nd image. Stupidly we both left the boxes behind.

I've worn mine very sparsely. Him a bit more but they're still in very wearable condition.

he's now selling his pair hence my research. We did a vintage fair on Sunday & He was going to let them go £15. Luckily I stopped him.


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Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 8:40am
I don't think that in a worn condition with no box either of you will be retiring on the strength of those, unfortunately.


Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 8:47am
No, we'd both worked that out, but i'm sure he can get more than the £15 he was going to let them go for.

Even if it's just £40/50 or so


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Posted By: iamcam
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 9:03am
bonus:
here's a pic of one of the pairs i bought from that stock, rather easy to date (70's according to the insole-logo and timeline pictures above) thanks to the designs Clap

(by the way: unworn, sz8 but turns out like a nowadays us9, if any of you denimbros is interested)




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Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 9:12am
I'll pass on those if that's OK ;)

Anything more subdued?


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Posted By: Cinch
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 11:04am
I wore natural canvas Converse all through the 60's and then did a switch to Addidas Superstars in 1970. Wearing a leather sneaker, much less a white leather sneaker was about as pimp as you could be in sports at the time.  I remember that they cost $14 and my dad just about blew a gasket. He said, 'I've never spent $14 for shoes in my entire life!"  In 1973 I did a switch to Stan Smith's. I'm pretty sure they were made in France at that time. I really like Stan Smith's when they get well worn. They look good with a relaxed leg jean too.


Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 1:12pm
I wore Converse throughout the late 80's and early 90's, culminating in my first bulk buy (bought a dozen pairs for me and some friends) - they lasted throughout the rest of the decade.
Five years ago, wanting to 'rekindle me yoof', I decided to buy lightly used pair off ebay thinking they were 90's, but they are made in China. Although to look at them, they seem as solid as the older ones I once owned way back.
So my question to all you sneaker aficionados is what is the main attraction to the 'made in USA' Chucks compared to the non US made?

Apologies if this has been discussed before.






Posted By: iamcam
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2014 at 1:52pm
it's all about the materials and "weight" of the components for me - chinamade, or lets say 'contemporary' CTs, just don't feel as solid as the USmade ones, if you ever had the comparison. the vintage canvas is much heavier and hairy while nowadays canvas doesn't feel worse, but just can't cope with the earlier fabrics. also insoles - newer ones feel synthetic (not sure if it is synthetics at all), but the cork-ish feel of the pre 80s models is second to none for me.
and most important: patina and colours - i love slightly off-white/aged CTs with those intense, almost infra-red accents they had in the 60s/70s!
but that's just my 2 cents ;)

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Posted By: kennybania
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 3:39am
The recent line of 1970s Converse are really good. They've used a better canvas and made the sole a lot thicker so they're not as uncomfortable as the standard ones.

Re the selling of old/vintage pairs, there's a shop in London that specialises in vintage Vans. There's a chance they might know someone after vintage Converse. http://pillowheat.com/


Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 3:55am
Thanks KennyB. I'd never heard of them but will perhaps get in contact.- maybe pay them a visit.

Agree with you about the current 1970's cons. The quality is way above that of the modern range. Very comfy and much harder wearing. I've been stockpiling them whenever I come across a bargain.

So far got one pair of parchment lows and the sunflower highs that are in wear and 4 pairs of the parchment lows hidden away in my wardrobe.

Parchment highs are on my radar.


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Posted By: iamcam
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 4:18am
yes, also trying to keep an eye out steadily ;)
sadly most good vintage ones come from the states and i really have had serious issues with german customs when they open packages, see those old, damaged boxes and insist on "CTs are made in china, these have written US on them, so they are fakes and we will be keeping them in order to destroy them" PigPigPig



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Posted By: Shorty Long
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 4:23am
In terms of quality, when talking about modern, standard canvas sneakers, I've found PF Flyers to be much better than Converse.


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 4:37am
I really like my PF Flyers and am very pleased with the quality. I like my Pro Keds too but they don't seem to be as robust as the PF Flyers.


Posted By: Bob Dale
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 4:15pm
To answer the question about the main draw of made in USA : they're vulcanized.

I spoke w/ Alyasha (stackaly) of of flyers at inspiration - it's illegal to vulcanize rubber for shoes
So that's why you've seen the rise of Kiln fired shoes lately. The rubber that converse (nike) uses is more dense and doesn't break the same .

Basically converse is selling a shoe that looks the same but isn't - it would be like Levi's selling polytwill denim with a selvage line and calling it a 5o1 cause it had red tabs and an arc. They are capitalizing on brand familiarity to sell an inferior product at an unnecessarily inflated price.


Posted By: Dr_Heech
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2014 at 9:19pm
Many thanks for that Bob


Posted By: Ishmael
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2014 at 4:56pm
Wonder if we could file suit against Converse for being a Converse knock-off.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/15/business/converse-sues-to-protect-its-chuck-taylor-all-stars.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=Moth-Visible&module=inside-nyt-region&region=inside-nyt-region&WT.nav=inside-nyt-region&_r=0" rel="nofollow - http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/15/business/converse-sues-to-protect-its-chuck-taylor-all-stars.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=Moth-Visible&module=inside-nyt-region&region=inside-nyt-region&WT.nav=inside-nyt-region&_r=0


Posted By: Bob Dale
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2014 at 6:03pm
exactly


Posted By: Maynard Fried-San
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 1:24am
Originally posted by Bob Dale Bob Dale wrote:

To answer the question about the main draw of made in USA : they're vulcanized.

Dr Spock is a good example, he was originally made in the USA but spent a lot of time in the vicinity of 40 Eridani A and therefore became 'vulcanized'.

Or was it the other way round?


Posted By: bumrush
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2014 at 9:29am
Was there ever any follow-up with the Made in USA PF Flyer prototypes?  Will we ever see a production run?


Posted By: dwarffruit
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2014 at 10:44am
Snake Oil Provisions said on their instagram that the MiUS PFs were pushed back to April, haven't seen anything official.


Posted By: Shorty Long
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2014 at 4:27am
Yeah...PFF haven't said a word. You'd think that even with an April launch we'd hear something by now.


Posted By: setterman
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2014 at 5:24am
I asked about the new Ramblers, and was told 2015.  They'll probably release everything in April in time for warmer weather, and won't announce anything about it until a couple weeks before.  I've never seen much forewarning from PF on upcoming seasons,  

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Posted By: Happy Hooligan
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2014 at 7:18am
anyone know where to get a pair of Adidas Rom?   I don't think they make them anymore.   

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Posted By: Mr Black
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2014 at 7:44am
Seem to be very easy to find in the UK. Let me know if you need some proxied

http://www.sportsdirect.com/adidas-rom-original-trainers-mens-119059

http://www.80scasualclassics.co.uk/trainers-and-shoes/adidas-rom-trainers-whiteredblue-2106195-227016-704252.php

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xadidas+rom&_nkw=adidas+rom&_sacat=0


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Posted By: Happy Hooligan
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2014 at 10:14am
Originally posted by Mr Black Mr Black wrote:

Seem to be very easy to find in the UK. Let me know if you need some proxied

http://www.sportsdirect.com/adidas-rom-original-trainers-mens-119059

http://www.80scasualclassics.co.uk/trainers-and-shoes/adidas-rom-trainers-whiteredblue-2106195-227016-704252.php

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xadidas+rom&_nkw=adidas+rom&_sacat=0

thanks Mr. Black

I'm trying to put together a pair of Zissou shoes and need the right pair to start with.


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