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No no no no no.  Sour cream glazed old fashioned. 
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You lot had better stop this otherwise with your humble roots, collective lack of education and limited aspirations, you'll end up just like the poor souls Double 0 described to start this whole thing a few pages back.
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Originally posted by hollows hollows wrote:

No no no no no.  Sour cream glazed old fashioned. 

Sour............cream............glazed????  i dont even know how to react.
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What scares me is 'food science' -- scientists who make food taste better than it should, and essentially it becomes addictive.

I crave weird foods that I know are horrible for me.  I told my boss the other day as we drove past a Mcdonalds at lunch -- Mcdonalds is like an abusive relationship.  I hate it, but there are times where simply put 'I need some mcnuggets' -- and after I eat them I always think to myself -WHY?

Why did i eat that?

I ate that because somewhere deep in my brain are memories of my childhood and Mcdonalds being a reward for good behavior.

My parents were prudent and Mcdonalds was ALWAYS a treat as a kid.  I was aware that it a- cost, and b- was only a sometimes food.  It's scary because my parents one or the other always cooked dinner.  I feel like moderation 'works' -- but you're still gonna crave pure garbage.


Coke is interesting - it has been proven that the 'original' formula in fact is nothing like the original formula.  I will have to find it, but in the 80s after the failure that was 'New Coke' certain elements from new coke were incorporated into the formula such as increased caffeine and sodium levels and of course the switch from refined sugar to high fructose corn sugar this also coinsided with the introduction of larger sizes.

This was engineered to drive sales, which is how businesses make money.  But it is sad.

As much as I consume Coca-Cola and love the lore of Coca-Cola there is a lot about the company that is pretty scary.  I've read some articles and items from a publication of the company called 'the refresher' -- in some spots it reads exactly like guides on how to prosthelitize people.


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All good points maynard, I used York/Harrogate as an instance because apart from Goole (where you could argue that smack is a defining factor in weight control) the only other place i have visited in that locality would be the North Yorkshire moors.

The people i was describing did not appear victim to mere social/economic issues they wasn't carrying a few extra pounds due to misleading labeling of foodstuffs (although sporks points are absolutely correct) they were morbidly obease, and the scale of the problem was quite alarming compared to other regions. Its one thing to be overweight and another to take it to the level that makes you prescription drug dependent and an NHS burden.

That's why i used the "regional depression" analogy because it seems like collective mental illness. They had breathing difficulties the rode disability scooters, the stress on their heart must be enormous but they were swigging bottles of Lucozade and eating Greggs. The menfolk will have been affected by the collapse of heavy industry to a certain extent but the women? The larger folks get the estimate of what people consider an average weight to be.

Setterman- A good point you make, Personally I can understand peoples fall into drug/alcohol dependency by means of escaping social issues a lot more than i can understand the food kick, but if McDonalds is your local drug dealer?
Hollows- With a business that provides the means to hold up ones trousers you should be actively promoting the Yo-Yo diet.
Bob- My parents were equally prudent if i wanted a drink as a kid they used to say "get some corporation wine its free from the tap" or water to you and i. My missus has never eaten a take away, McDonalds, KFC, Starbucks ect. I forced her to go into a chip shop around 5 years ago just for the social experience but i would have to actively seek out a fast food restaurant, i don't have to deal with temptation. Abstinence is my prefered method, I haven't eaten fast food for 20 years Im not being conceited i also have a relatively poor diet. Most days i eat a bowl of bran flakes, Dorset Cereal (porridge in the winter) or the like but where the manufacturer recommends a 30g serving i have around 150g (500kcal 25%rec) then i eat fruit for lunch and an evening meal. I do this every day my food bill with for work with milk and coffee for the week comes to less than £10 if you have a lack of money i recommend it, its very uninspiring but allows me a few alcoholic beverages by means of relaxation with my wife on an evening when Jr has gone to bed. I have never dieted or exercised just try to live an outdoor lifestyle wherever possible.

I would be interested to hear other peoples techniques for maintaining a healthy body weight??

I will try to come up with an equally debate worthy observation for tomorrow...

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I said id post some interesting links yesterday. Here they are

(Disclaimer. 2 and a half years ago I gave up eating meat. I participated in a bet to go veggie for a month and after I was done I kept going until today. It's a lifestyle choice and I don't try to shove it down anyone's throat. Some of the stuff below might come from vegan / veggie stuff, but the health parts are still very important for all. It's light on the meat stuff I promise)

START HERE: This link explains calorie density. It explains how we pretty much all eat the same weight in food, but some of us put on much more weight. This is the best place to start.



THis next video explains why we are naturally attracted to calorie dense foods, and how we get addicted to them. THis is a DEEP video and very interesting. It also talks about gambling, sex, and even relaxing. If you really want to change things for the better, this is a good video to watch



Heres some extra stuff about olive oil / calorie destiny / and pleasure trap stuff listed above.





Heres some stuff on government and its awful relationship to the food industry. Here you will learn how lobbiest got schools to approve pizza as a serving of vegetables because it has tomato paste, and how soda is argued to fulllfill a few servings of water, so it can be part of a "well balanced meal"


Great documentary called FED UP: Talks about sugar and government. Also talks about how the "Diet and Exercise" , "eat in moderation" and "Well Balanced Meal" are all BS terms and made up by the food industry. POINT: If all your food is poisoned with addictive sugars, it won't mater how much you exercise or watch your eating. Many people don't have access to non processed foods.




Lastly, if you want to go on a great diet and are open to going veggie / vegan for a month, I suggest Engine 2 Diet. The recipes are very straight forward and fullfilling. Pastas, burritos, black bean burgers. Even if you just want to drop a few, this is a great place to start

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And don't forget to live a little. The stuff above is all important to know, but it doesn't mean you need to give up on entirely enjoying life.  Thanks for reading
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*realized this post is kinda ignorant and first world problem-ish so I deleted it, nothing to see here*

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Let's be honest - you're slim and don't like cooking or perhaps eating. Other people do, so I think you've partially answered your own question. However, I'm not sure that many people do have 3 square meals a day - I'd wager that it's usually toast/cereal/fruit for breakfast, sandwiches for lunch and a cooked dinner in the evening for most, plus of course numerous unhealthy snacks throughout the day.
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Another observation in possibly the wrong venue:

The sexualization of women in american pop culture has always bothered me. I distinctly remember realizing it when Britney Spears was coming into view when I was in middle school and feeling SUPER alienated by all these messages of 'be pretty, be sexy, all that matters is how a dude sees you.'  I've never felt 'sexy' in the classic sense a day in my damn life—I try to remind myself that being 'sexy' is unimportant and hell, I've got a lot of other shit going for me—but it can sometimes be a bit of a bummer to be bombarded by these images on a daily basis and feel like you don't identify with them AT ALL.

But yet, I label myself a feminist and I always have conflicting feelings about this—am I pissed that I have to look at women being sexy because some major label suit bro decided that's the de facto marketing scheme for women in pop culture? Absolutely. But at the same time I think it's pretty rad that women can be super sexual on TV and still be somewhat respected (in my mind at least anyway)—which seems like progress from 1950s June Cleaver.

For ex of what I mean: I just watched Nicki Minaj's 'anaconda' music video and my initial reaction was : 'Ugh this music video is SO sexualized and typical and just perpetuating this 'be sexy' 'be crude' 'be raunchy' bullshit'... it's a music video I've seen manifested 500 different ways before, you know? It's not special. It doesn't really mean anything. It's not saying anything new.  But then in the same breath I'll think "Well it's kinda cool that she made a video where she uses Drake—who is this male pop culture icon in a sense—as a prop in the way women are used in music videos quite frequently." If you haven't seen the video, she gives him a lapdance but when he reaches out to touch her at the end of the scene she slaps his hand away and is like 'haha fuck you i'm just having fun—because I'm the boss—BYE!' which is pretty amazing in a way.

I think the moral of this story is I need to just STOP watching music videos.
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