MILITARIA PLUS (Workware,Cabourn,Kapital,etc)

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Don't get too worked up over the names of things. Sometimes things pick up a name years afterwards that was never used originally, like those cargo pants I mentioned. When they were originally issued in the 1950s, they were officially called field pants and I never heard them called anything else. Reenactors buy M41 field jackets (sometimes called a Parson jacket). They were officially termed a "field jacket." The M43 outfit had a "field coat" (followed by later variations) that was forever afterwards called a field jacket. 

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BlueTrain Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List whiskered Joined: 17 Jul 2012 Location: Northern Virgin Status: Offline Points: 669	Post Options Post Reply Quote BlueTrain Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 21 Jun 2020 at 2:11am
	Don't get too worked up over the names of things. Sometimes things pick up a name years afterwards that was never used originally, like those cargo pants I mentioned. When they were originally issued in the 1950s, they were officially called field pants and I never heard them called anything else. Reenactors buy M41 field jackets (sometimes called a Parson jacket). They were officially termed a "field jacket." The M43 outfit had a "field coat" (followed by later variations) that was forever afterwards called a field jacket.

bartlebyyphonics Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List whiskered Joined: 08 Jun 2017 Status: Offline Points: 3714	Post Options Post Reply Quote bartlebyyphonics Report Post Thanks(3) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 2020 at 7:40am
	just to share a m-1951 jacket liner... first some trim, stamp, label, repairs, inner elbow patch details... then worn: one way, then another (with differing nigel cabourn [artic pants, then army pants...] and for second version with m-65 trouser liner underneath too) ...

bartlebyyphonics Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List whiskered Joined: 08 Jun 2017 Status: Offline Points: 3714	Post Options Post Reply Quote bartlebyyphonics Report Post Thanks(4) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 2020 at 7:46am
	plus, from lightning military jacket book... a different m-1951 liner some experimental 1940s liners... and a great alpaca vest...

BlueTrain Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List whiskered Joined: 17 Jul 2012 Location: Northern Virgin Status: Offline Points: 669	Post Options Post Reply Quote BlueTrain Report Post Thanks(3) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 2020 at 8:22am
	Interest photos of the field jacket liners. They bring back memories. The button-in liners really made the field jacket a good cold weather garment. I wore mine for years after I got out of the army. The one I had was the old-style fleece rather than the later quilted style. I don't know when the army made the switch. I also don't know when field jackets and liners went out of style but I'm pretty sure they were later issued in woodland camouflage material. Two different styles were being issued when I entered the army. The Korean war style, M1951, was being issued, presumably until they used up all they had. And they were also issuing the M1965 version at the same time. This was in 1965, the year I went into the army. Wikipedia says there was an M1950 model, too, which I didn't know. There was also an M1951 parka, too, referred to sometimes as a 'fishtail' parka. It was something else that was issued in your regular unit and it also had a liner. I don't remember using it while I was in the army. The Air Force had a slightly different field jacket in a "sage green." The pockets were different and it had a built-in hood, I think, and presumably there was a liner that went with it. More than you wanted to know!

Denimetc Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List whiskered anonymous Joined: 24 Oct 2013 Location: 60N Status: Offline Points: 8876	Post Options Post Reply Quote Denimetc Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 3:17am
	Thanks Blue Train - interesting stuff. I believe that is the m51 Fishtail parka liner that Bartlebyyphonics is wearing in the pics above.
	Too much Denim - too little time...

bartlebyyphonics Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List whiskered Joined: 08 Jun 2017 Status: Offline Points: 3714	Post Options Post Reply Quote bartlebyyphonics Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jan 2021 at 12:38pm
	hey all, great info BlueTrain: not oversharing, good informing! from what I see (inc. real McCoys recent release as well as other mod forums) is indeed what Denimetc says; it is the fishtail liner rather than the shorter m-1951 jacket... (annoying, as the fishtails are rare beasts now, whilst I have a shorter Korean-era version in my sights...) - managed to find in a UK army surplus site, but stock already all gone now... m-1965 liners seem pretty available on US e-bay, and I can confirm from experience of the trouser liner, they are pretty damn effective insulators...