LVC analysis

mr randal wrote: To illustrate Sansome's point about the design sources for the 1873: This is the Calico jean, until the Nevada jean this was apparently the oldest denim pant Levi's had in their archive. The image is from pabloTs book. Levi's dated this at about 1890. This is the boys duck pant that Levi's had in their archive at that time. (photo from BOON vintage) Levis dated this at around 1880. LVC 1873 model is based on the Calico (the oldest levi pant the designers had seen in 1998, when this was created) with details walked backward in time based on other garments (like the tag from the boys duck pant) and documentation of other details. Or so I understand it. Si or no, Sansome?

I know it gets confusing when I refer to the Calico pant pictured above as being from 1893 and not from 1890 like they are listed....We have found and seen enough 1890 and 91 Levi pants to say the 1890 Calico pants pictured above are not from 1890...Levi's from 1890-91 didn't have a double needle yolk, they didn't have a non selvage waist band....they didn't have a triangle stitch to fasten the buckle... And they didn't have lot numbers, I hope this isn't confusing

Dr_Heech wrote: Not confusing at all, thanks for posting.  Some great info on the early stuff.   My Lvc '1890' repros from 2005 have hammered rivets that just say L.S.& co, would those details be accurate to 1893--- ?

Well a mid to late 1890 rivet should look the same as a 1893 rivet...it looks like when the Levi factory that was set up in the late 1880's...on Freemont st, they seem to be using a different tool to apply the rivet...we find dimples on the top of the rivet post for the first time starting in the late 1880's.... The earliest mention of Women working in the Freemont street factory is June 1889.....I think I have rivet pics on the Levi research thread?I hope this helps

That rivet looks pretty close to the original....it's from 2005?

Well that's the wrong two horse brand, I've said it before that the two horse brand was drawn 5 different ways and this one on your repros didn't come around until after 1909-12 ( I don't have the exact date yet) every garment guaranteed didn't come on the label until late 1891 or 92 and lot numbers are not seen on tags until sometime after late 1891.... I have a repro like yours but I think mine was made later that yours....I'll put it next to my 1891 #2's

Thanks Mike, I thought the patch wasn't accurate after reading your updates on the denim research thread.