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Originally posted by mr randal mr randal wrote:



To illustrate Sansome's point about the design sources for the 1873:


This is the Calico jean, until the Nevada jean this was apparently the oldest denim pant Levi's had in their archive. The image is from pabloTs book. Levi's dated this at about 1890.


This is the boys duck pant that Levi's had in their archive at that time. (photo from BOON vintage) Levis dated this at around 1880.

LVC 1873 model is based on the Calico (the oldest levi pant the designers had seen in 1998, when this was created) with details walked backward in time based on other garments (like the tag from the boys duck pant) and documentation of other details.

Or so I understand it. Si or no, Sansome?







I know it gets confusing when I refer to the Calico pant pictured above as being from 1893 and not from 1890 like they are listed....We have found and seen enough 1890 and 91 Levi pants to say the 1890 Calico pants pictured above are not from 1890...Levi's from 1890-91 didn't have a double needle yolk, they didn't have a non selvage waist band....they didn't have a triangle stitch to fasten the buckle... And they didn't have lot numbers, I hope this isn't confusing
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Not confusing at all, thanks for posting.  Some great info on the early stuff.  

My Lvc '1890' repros from 2005 have hammered rivets that just say L.S.& co, would those details be accurate to 1893--- ? 
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Originally posted by Dr_Heech Dr_Heech wrote:

Not confusing at all, thanks for posting.  Some great info on the early stuff.  


My Lvc '1890' repros from 2005 have hammered rivets that just say L.S.& co, would those details be accurate to 1893--- ? 

Well a mid to late 1890 rivet should look the same as a 1893 rivet...it looks like when the Levi factory that was set up in the late 1880's...on Freemont st, they seem to be using a different tool to apply the rivet...we find dimples on the top of the rivet post for the first time starting in the late 1880's.... The earliest mention of Women working in the Freemont street factory is June 1889.....I think I have rivet pics on the Levi research thread?I hope this helps
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Sorry, they say L.S & Co - S.F. and they have the thinner dashes in between.  Here's a pic -
 


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That rivet looks pretty close to the original....it's from 2005?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Dr_Heech Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 11:51am
Originally posted by Sansome Sansome wrote:

That rivet looks pretty close to the original....it's from 2005?
 
Yes, the 2005 edition had these rivets, hammered at time of manufacture, with 'inpure' nickle metal suspender buttons (actually they look like they just had a splash of enamel paint appliedConfused) -
 
 
Beautifull details, especially the pocket arc -
 
 
The two-horse patch would've had the 'Lot 501XX W/L' underneath the 'Every garment guaranteed' or not? 
 
 
Watch pocket is lower than waistband -
 
 
And the waistband is a two-piece with no selvedge -
 
 
 
The kurabo denim is a slightly greener cast than other editions.  Tagged 34/36, measures 36/36.
 
 


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Well that's the wrong two horse brand, I've said it before that the two horse brand was drawn 5 different ways and this one on your repros didn't come around until after 1909-12 ( I don't have the exact date yet) every garment guaranteed didn't come on the label until late 1891 or 92 and lot numbers are not seen on tags until sometime after late 1891.... I have a repro like yours but I think mine was made later that yours....I'll put it next to my 1891 #2's
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote mr randal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 12:36pm
Sorry Sansome, I have been referring to the Calico pant as a 1890 model, forgetting you dated it to 1893.


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Thanks Mike, I thought the patch wasn't accurate after reading your updates on the denim research thread. 
Fyi my 1890's also have blueline selvedge Confused
 
 
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Next: LVCs 1873 duck pant. This model is the Valencia street pair, from 2000.


















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