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Aren't they? And in a 'golden size'.

Before seeing these, l only thought two pairs existed (both being small sizes) but with these adult sized pair, it's nice to see that aesthetic of the beltloops in line with the back pocket, something that unfortunately CSF hasn't captured in their reproduction.
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Are those arcs stitched or painted? I can’t tell, viewing on my phone.
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The arcs are stitched Martin. If you're on lg, you can zoom in/translate the text and read the description, you'll see that these were the last bucklebacks before the war model with the painted arcs.
They were made between April and August of 1942.
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Thanks Charlie, so apart from the ‘S’ on the patch, what’s the difference between these and any other pair produced between 1937-39? Pocket bags perhaps?
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There is no 'S' on the patch on these.
The only differences l can tell between these and the 37-40 model is the denim type used (so maybe the change between 10oz/11oz and the 14oz?) as the colour fall is different.
The only other aspects are the difference in flasher/guarantee ticket combination.

Still no concrete info as yet to why the yoke flipped to an overlap type here (seen on both 37 models and 41 models) and then back to regular yoke construction in time for the painted arc war model?
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Oops, nearly forgot. The concealed back pocket rivet also changed around 1941 from the flattened rivet with raised L.s & Co. Letters (similar to the Lvc 37 model) to the more rounded rivet with depressed L.s & Co. lettering.

[Edit] This aspect has been discussed a while back on this thread on (page 69) c/o Flash.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (7) Thanks(7)   Quote Flash Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 2019 at 10:53am
Since my favourite thread has been seeing some activity I Took some better pics of jacks early 70’s big E 501



















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For vintage Levis geeks here(?) - get your '501XX - a collection of vintage jeans ' book out, and turn to page 68.

In relation to my previous post about the 1942 model, I've dug a little deeper and it seems that the penny MAY have just dropped.

So to clarify, and again it's just my opinion, the 1937 model had the regular yoke for a short while (pairs #12 & #13), then at some point in the short production of that model, it was changed to the overlapped style (pairs #14 & #15).
Then four years later in 1941 it seems they changed the denim. Apart from the obvious 'colour-fall' there is no concrete evidence of weight change, but the denim is certainly different.
There is only one (deadstock) example of this model in the book: pair #16.
Another pair of these, owned by the owner of Jukebox, can be seen here -

https://www.instagram.com/p/BuugpYwnJ8-/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=14uh0bznh0mbf

But the pair l linked in my earlier post, was made nearly a year later (and only for a few months) - the so called 1942 model. It has two main differences: firstly the yoke has flipped back over to the regular type, just four months before the introduction of the war model (with continued regular yoke and all stripped down details). So this could be when the yoke changed back.
The other difference, which (duh!) I've only just spotted, is the very rare pocket flasher which doesn't say 'concealed copper riveted ', but states 'concealed pocket riveted'. Have another look and compare:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BuxHHwanyLZ/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=11gl3qmvrruw4

Just thought it was interesting and the date of the yoke changing seemed to make more sense, although the actual reason for the yoke design change may never actually surface.
Love discovering (and sharing) all these little subtle changes.

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Some good detective work there Doc. Re your point about the denim changing, I think we can assume this is correct as we know the denim used on the LVC 44 model is heavier than that of their 37 cut (12/12.5oz v 10oz, both raw). The question I think you rightly address is whether this denim change happened when Levi’s switched style to the war model or earlier, during the 1937 production and it is potentially the latter.

Edited by Maynard Fried-San - Yesterday at 12:24am
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