Help to identify Vintage Lee Riders

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   Hey there,
I'm new to this forum, but reading here from time to time. Great job, it helped me a lot of times. I'm really in LVC and at beginnig to know something about real Deadstock Levis, but I know literally nothing about Vintage Lee Jeans. And in the opposite to Levis, there is not much to find. 

So I would like to ask you, if the experts here could help me to identify these two - I guess - Vintage Lee Riders 101-Z. In Comparison to the specifications of Vintage Levis from '66 - '70, I would think, these are maybe from the '70s? 

No Made in USA on the Flasher, no Wash Tag, no Selvedge-ID. What do you also need to see, to make an estimation?

Here is the first one:

And the second one:

Okay, so that's it. Could anyone please help me?  And I hope, this is the right place for this topic. Please don't blame me, if it's not

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huntburton Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List raw Joined: 27 Apr 2020 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 29	Post Options Post Reply Quote huntburton Report Post Thanks(2) Quote Reply Topic: Help to identify Vintage Lee Riders Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 7:45am
	Hey there, I'm new to this forum, but reading here from time to time. Great job, it helped me a lot of times. I'm really in LVC and at beginnig to know something about real Deadstock Levis, but I know literally nothing about Vintage Lee Jeans. And in the opposite to Levis, there is not much to find. So I would like to ask you, if the experts here could help me to identify these two - I guess - Vintage Lee Riders 101-Z. In Comparison to the specifications of Vintage Levis from '66 - '70, I would think, these are maybe from the '70s? No Made in USA on the Flasher, no Wash Tag, no Selvedge-ID. What do you also need to see, to make an estimation? Here is the first one: And the second one: Okay, so that's it. Could anyone please help me? And I hope, this is the right place for this topic. Please don't blame me, if it's not Best

LazyS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List whiskered Joined: 26 Sep 2013 Status: Offline Points: 1442	Post Options Post Reply Quote LazyS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 8:42am
	I'm not an expert but I think they might be older. the second pair could be late 50's? first pair early 60's? Its definitely harder to find good source for dating them check out this pair http://denimarchieves.com/e/vintage_and_old_denim_bottoms/lee_111_b_y_en.html I think its frowned upon to make new threads for small questions like this, but there is no one left to get mad ya

Dr_Heech Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MODERATOR Joined: 23 Jan 2012 Location: Mostly outdoors Status: Offline Points: 26142	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dr_Heech Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 8:45am
	We have a Lee thread, that would be the place to post these. Top pair have R and MR after lee on pocket tab and patch, so after 1968 but before mid 70's. Second one is earlier with the half selvedge maybe late 1950's. Only a guesstamate, sorry.

huntburton Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List raw Joined: 27 Apr 2020 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 29	Post Options Post Reply Quote huntburton Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Apr 2020 at 9:42am
	Thank you for the quick answers. That's a kind of direction! Sorry for the wrong thread. I would consider this the next time. Is there any possibility to postpone this question in the right topic? Thanks a lot!