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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote rayw44 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 2017 at 10:46am
HP if they really are mid 20th century there will be a boot and shoe workers union stamp somewhere inside (usually on the sole but sometimes somewhere in the shaft). That stamp will have a factory number, and you can use the number to find out what company made them. If the museum can find that stamp and number, they can likely narrow it down.

Many factories made boots for multiple brands, so it's not always possible to be 100% certain from the stamps.

More importantly though, the soles and heels on that pair look original as best I can tell from that photo. The heel has a plastic insert rather than a stacked leather heel. The plastic inserts weren't used until the 70s, meaning this pair is likely 20+ years younger than the museum believes.
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Thank you Rayw44,

That's really useful advice and I will follow up with the collections historian.  I had a funny feeling about the age of these boots but didn't see what was right in front of my face. 


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Thanks for the knowledge drop Rayw44!

Despite my love for engineers, my actual knowledge of their history is poor.
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zooming in on the heel of the photo it looks like it could be stacked.  Side note, what kind of shoe museum has trouble dating a shoe that's less than 100 years old?  End rant.
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Blood you are right, it's hard to tell from that photo. I'm relying on the black color of the insert to make me think it is plastic. Stacked leather is almost always dyed he same color as the midsole/sole, and the plastic inserts are almost always black.

HP can you get the museum to send a better shot of the sole/heel?
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rayW44,

I will contact the museum and try to wheedle a close-up shot.  Barring that, I will try to get answers from them on how the heel is constructed.

Blood, I agree that it's pretty disappointing that a museum, -- let alone a shoe museum -- would have this kind of difficulty in digging up the details of a boot.  That said, the museum overall has some deeply fascinating elements that highlight how far humans will go to achieve footwear supremacy.  For those who happen to find themselves in TO, I would still recommend a visit. 
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Oh dear.  I really, really hope that I am wrong.

WRT my quest to date that pair of "mid-Twentieth Century" harness boots I saw at the Bata Museum in Toronto, I was doing a little bit of research and I found this pair of 1970s vintage Sears harness engineer boots on sale for USD 29.99 on eBay.  They seem to have the same stamp with all the same information (different sizing, of course) that the collections lady cited.

What are the chances that the same serial number would have appeared on a much older boot?



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I was going to say I had a pair of harness boots just like that from Sears when I was a kid in the mid 70's...same color and everything. I wouldn't classify those as engineer boots though. 
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Rivet Head, like you, I reckon I will be quite surprised to find out that the Toronto pair don't come from Sears.

The museum lady is going to ask some questions of the seller of these, um, harness boots and get back to me.  (We were both less than impressed by the addition of a zipper to them.)

And, yes, I do hear you on the question of harness boots qualifying as engineer boots.  How about we stick to calling them harness boots alone but let them sit on this thread if they promise not to be too chatty?

Besides, paired with a greasy pair of denims, beat-up Wesco harness boots do have a certain je ne sais quoi, non?  Big smile


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Sizing advice guys:

If the Lofgren last is too wide for my feet, but I'm a comfy size 12 in Brass Tokyo's CN last, would RMC's Buco boots be a good fit?

Last time I measured, my largest foot (lefty) was 11iss B-width, if that helps.
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