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I will try and put my perspective into words Duke, He is trying to recreate the 40,s ethos/feeling within the denim that he is stitching together? Now you can either take the RMC approach which was to study the WW2 denim in their archive and introduce all these era specific details into one pair of jeans but of course intentionally reproducing a wonky stitch is simply just contrived especially when replicated time after time in every pair of jeans, its no different to a machine following a template/set course, its not what this is about.
Some of the WW2 era Levi's are as good as it gets construction wise yet some  are all over the joint, so trying to maintain that feeling cannot be done using the RMC method, it Only occurs naturally when a specific set of circumstances are in place which will probably never happen again.

This is where i think the difference lies in the CSF approach where he uses the machines of the period and try to recreate the "feeling" of the era and let the wonkiness occur naturally, a happy accident if you will. Its not like he doesn't have fantastic sewing skills but the trick is not using said skills for the application at hand (trying not to sound like a pretentious twat) you see this in the cubist movement it wasn't as if these artists could only paint like a 6 year old child they were accomplished well schooled artists but for what they was trying to convey they chose not to use said skills instead chose to unlearn the principles they had acquired. Anyone who is skilled at making anything knows how difficult it is not to be influenced by the constraints of ones own thought process and what you assume to be the correct outcome, It seems to be inbuilt within the human psyche.

I also see this same approach used in Japanese tool making where hand tools are made to feel right in the hand rather that look right.
The western equivalent would probably be an ergonomics App.

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I think you (and Flash and Hollows) have described things very well indeed.

In truth my questions were to generate this discussion as much as anything else - I wanted folk reading this thread to hear why you have invested into CSF.

For me it is clear the spirit of the jeans, and the era, that are being captured - and rather well at that. But from a more naïve perspective it should be fairly obvious everyone here that what looks like a badly made coin pocket could actually be a badly made coin pocket.

I'm not in anyway suggesting CSF are selling shoddy goods, I'm pointing out that without prior knowledge people will judge what they see.

It's good you've addressed the RMC approach. For me they did nothing but pay lip service - it was a gimmick - CSF are doing something quite different.
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Aye, I know what your saying Duke, I don't think there is a right or wrong here either its just a matter of opinion, from a certain perspective they do look badly made it all depends what you are striving to create.

Sorry about the crappy "art" reference above, im not suggesting these jeans are in anyway a work of art but that was the only comparison I can ever recall where folks who were accomplished in their trade actually made a conscious effort to make things look worse to be "better" from a certain pov of course.

Just between you and i though, "im not sure who sewed those Cushies together he was clearly blind or drunk or blind-drunk Wink
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He did make some that were stitched properly but they were sold off cheaply as factory seconds.
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iirc in said rmc discussion i indicated my desire to see someone subject him/herself to all the pressures and restrictions that a levi's seamstress had to work under during ww2 and see what wonky wonders they come up with. csf is going in the right direction but i've seen the video and the factory looks too chilled! the boy wonder should be subjected to time restrictions (say 501 pairs a day) and 47 lashes of the heaviest denim if he doesn't meet the production target. then and only then perhaps we will get something approaching marvin's collection of wabi-sabi beauties. 
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They should only exist in black and white too, should make a better case for thread colour inconsistencies.
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Originally posted by Double 0 Soul Double 0 Soul wrote:



Just between you and i though, "im not sure who sewed those Cushies together he was clearly blind or drunk or blind-drunk Wink



Well maybe a few of the lady's on the shop floor had a drink problem ?? .... maybe that is something else they are trying to recreate ;)

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I do think they look really great and something to save my pennies for, I've followed Conners (via 49ers) since they started up, they work really hard and I'm glad things are picking up for them now.



Originally posted by Maynard Fried-San Maynard Fried-San wrote:

They should only exist in black and white too, should make a better case for thread colour inconsistencies.


I nearly spat my drink across the coffee shop reading this!
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^^^^Great reading lads, keep it up!
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